Gun control arguments ignore too many facts

[DaveM55]

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/arti...too-many-facts

Can a gun-control advocate write a letter setting out a rational argument supported by facts? All I’ve seen are reprints of the same tired liberal mantra. No one “needs” one, children are killed, “assault weapons” were made to kill, nobody is murdered in England and the Second Amendment means muskets.

Humans wielding clubs and knives have been killing for 2.5 million years. Rifles, of all types, killed 323 people in 2011. Knives, hands and clubs killed 2,916. That year, 99.99992 percent of gun owners did not kill anybody. Last year 4,521 people drowned in a backyard pool.
Forty-nine percent of all traffic fatalities, resulted from drunk or distracted driving. Apparently your “need” for a cocktail, a swim or driving with a cell phone is more important than 22,000 lives.

[Curmudgeon]

They can't, because there isn't one.

[DClan]

Most anti's rhetoric relies on emotion instead of facts, because the facts don't support their position. Also, using emotion allows them to justify the urgency of exploiting any tragedy that becomes available while its still fresh in the minds of people who actually care, not just pushing an agenda.

[Dr.um]

Nobody gets convinced of anything they dont already believe any more.

Just as gun lovers are perplexed by those who would raise hands against their perception of the 2nd amendment, people who dont get guns cannot ever be convinced that the 2nd amendment covers AR15's.

I tell you what surprised me... That crabby NRA dude coming out against background checks. I dont get that. In my humble opinion, simply checking the background of purchasers is in no logical way a preliminary effort to universal gun registration. That level of paranoia is alienating me from the NRA, frankly. They make us all look like unreasonable nut jobs.

I always use the example of the 1968 act that served to limit full autos in civilian possession. They simply passed a law... register them within so many months and pay the tax stamp or they become contraband. Simple as that. Those who registered their guns were allowed to keep them. There was never any confiscation from those who followed the law (unless of course they violated some OTHER law and loss their legal ability to continue to own their FA) and it has been upwards of forty years since then.

We generally accept that our governments can make laws that we must obey. We in turn, get to vote on who is in our governments. It is a whole system, I am sure you are all familiar. From cars without seatbelts to marijuana, the government effects the things that we can legally enjoy. It is the nature of civilized societies.

Suffice it to say, background checks are coming. Maybe another set of silly (and temporary) bans of various things, but nothing is gonna happen to our guns. Fear is anti-social and if you are gonna be a law abiding gun owner, then guess what, you gotta abide by the laws.

Say what you will about activist judges and the liberal courts, but just wait and see how many of these recent and quite unconstitutional laws in NY/NJ, etc will actually pass judicial muster. Nobody is going to have to give up anything they own, gun wise.

Cheers and deep breaths.

D

[NShortino]

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Humans wielding clubs and knives have been killing for 2.5 million years. Rifles, of all types, killed 323 people in 2011. Knives, hands and clubs killed 2,916. That year, 99.99992 percent of gun owners did not kill anybody. Last year 4,521 people drowned in a backyard pool.
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That's one seriously deadly pool. Must be huge. At a rate of over 12 floaters per day, you'd think someone would have shut the backyard down by now.

[Pector55]

It took two days but I beat down two gun control guys on my friend's Facebook over the weekend. It was polite but simply fact laced responses that caused them to give up. I got several comments from his friends appreciating my efforts. We even got into the meanings of "well regulated" and "militia." Once I pointed out that anti-federalists who wanted the Bill of Rights had not granted the government any powers in any other amendments so why would any rational person feel as though it was their intent to reference the "right of the people" and yield power to the government in the same amendment. That makes no sense. I threw them a lot of contextual references from Federalist Papers and they just stopped. They were destroyed with facts and history.

[firebird.77]

Preaching to the choir here...


The #1 argument that bothers me is "You don't NEED [a certain type of gun, or a gun at all] but I need [car, alcohol, etc]."


It isn't about NEEDS or WANTS, it's about RIGHTS. I don't go around telling people what they should or should not buy since its a FREE DAMN COUNTRY. I don't understand why so many are eager to take away FREEDOM.







ok, now, deep breaths.....

[johnydavid]

The opening post hit the nail on the head. It's all based on emotions and thought. If they incorporated statistics they wouldn't have an argument. A famous liberal congressman "sorry can't remember name" said all he needs and has to protect his home is a shot gun. However he has never encountered a break in so how does he know his facts.
There is practically no crime committed with a semi auto rifle "assault rifle the media calls it now". They're to large to conceal and impractical for crime but the government wants to say you cannot have one. Were on the verge of economical collapse therefore --vast food shortages--insane gas prices--global disaster--riots--high crime with an ammo shortage so severe some police departments only have whats in there magazines "this is fact not dramatized" but instead of the president working on an economic plan "doing his job" the government is worried about YOU buying a semi auto riffle. I love my country but our government right now is off kilter.

[Dr.um]

My Dad used to like to say "Your rights end where the other guy's nose begins"

Definitely it sucks when the laws change and stuff you like becomes limited or even just more expensive to obtain.

The trouble as I see it that our rights are contingent upon our doing our part as citizens of this country. We dont have rights in a vacuum. We have rights as American citizens. If the laws change and our judicial and executive branches do not intervene, then we have a choice. Either comply with the laws (i.e. give up our rights) or rebell and give up our rights as American citizens.

It is a conundrum that circles around to nowhere. So long as we follow the rules and we have at least the opportunity to elect leaders more sympathetic to what rights we want to keep and so on. The rabble rousing "I shall not comply" stuff makes us all sound like dangerous "pre-criminals"
to me and I dont like it.

Play by the rules and maybe we can change the rules. Fight the rules by not following and we lose more ground than we will ever gain.

D

[ShooterInPA1]

My Dad used to like to say "Your rights end where the other guy's nose begins"

Definitely it sucks when the laws change and stuff you like becomes limited or even just more expensive to obtain.

The trouble as I see it that our rights are contingent upon our doing our part as citizens of this country. We dont have rights in a vacuum. We have rights as American citizens. If the laws change and our judicial and executive branches do not intervene, then we have a choice. Either comply with the laws (i.e. give up our rights) or rebell and give up our rights as American citizens.

It is a conundrum that circles around to nowhere. So long as we follow the rules and we have at least the opportunity to elect leaders more sympathetic to what rights we want to keep and so on. The rabble rousing "I shall not comply" stuff makes us all sound like dangerous "pre-criminals"
to me and I dont like it.

Play by the rules and maybe we can change the rules. Fight the rules by not following and we lose more ground than we will ever gain.

D

"Our rights are contingent"? Bullshit.

The rabble rousing "I shall not comply" stuff makes us all sound like dangerous "pre-criminals" to me and I dont like it.

You sound like a bed wetting liberal who is afraid of gun owners because of their tough talk.

Lie. Defy. Do not Comply.


Play by the rules

Like the left is doing? Obama? Cuomo? What an utter crock of shit. Your entire post, from the first word to the last.