Preventing Philla and Pgh from continually deciding PA's fate?

[alethialogos57]

Like most I get extremely frustrated when Philla and Pgh continually decide the fate of PA. They may contain a lot of people but they only make up 0.39% of the land that is PA. Many of the people in these two cities, like most cities, have no clue what PA is really about so why should they constantly get to decide our fate?

[bigandy1966]

Its a huge problem in New York state too, NYC makes up a significant percentage of the population. The migration from the urban to suburban areas drags the same mentality along with them.
They never were exposed to hunting fishing or farming. They oppose guns, Hunting, Farming and anything else that offends their refined sensibilities. I say Farming because the smell and "Cruelty" of animal husbandry is offensive to the average urbanite.
So in the grand scheme of things you have to include any and all areas in a 50 mile radius from any major metropolitan areas as having the same mental attitude (Or assitude) as the prevailing city. and this includes the huge numbers in the population dense surburban area.
Now, if the rest of the state has a marginal liberal mindset population, you can see how the results are shifted.

[BadAtScreennames]

Like most I get extremely frustrated when Philla and Pgh continually decide the fate of PA. They may contain a lot of people but they only make up 0.39% of the land that is PA. Many of the people in these two cities, like most cities, have no clue what PA is really about so why should they constantly get to decide our fate?

There are about 12 million people in Pa. Pittsburgh and Philadelphia only account for maybe 3 million of them, if I'm not mistaken.

Surely there are people who have lived in the city their whole lives who think that folks in the middle of the state don't understand their way of life, too.

That's democracy, I guess.

[schr8er2000]

There are about 12 million people in Pa. Pittsburgh and Philadelphia only account for maybe 3 million of them, if I'm not mistaken.

Surely there are people who have lived in the city their whole lives who think that folks in the middle of the state don't understand their way of life, too.

That's STUPIDITY, I guess.

Fixed it for ya

[JenniferG]

Many of the people in these two cities, like most cities, have no clue what PA is really about so why should they constantly get to decide our fate?

There are about 12 million people in Pa. Pittsburgh and Philadelphia only account for maybe 3 million of them, if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah, but the people of Philadelphia get to vote more times than the other parts of the state. Hell, Ben Franklin and all his ancesters voted in the last election. That's why they fight so hard to keep from having to use a photo ID to vote.

[bmwaudio]

this is why they make a stink about voter ID laws... its common sense to me... need ID to drive, buy smokes, buy booze, etc.... why shouldn't this be needed to prove whom you are, we just saw on the news one of the people say they voted for Obummer 6 times, and now they got busted with the fake tweeting anti gun garbage to sens. These idiots need to be stopped by whatever means necessary, at this point it is not looking good for us, and i am tired of "standing up and fighting" for my god born rights and freedoms. This should not even be an issue, and we should not have to be doing this.

[WhiteFeather]

Like most I get extremely frustrated when Philla and Pgh continually decide the fate of PA. They may contain a lot of people but they only make up 0.39% of the land that is PA. Many of the people in these two cities, like most cities, have no clue what PA is really about so why should they constantly get to decide our fate?

Its the silent majority everywhere in PA that is always "to busy" to be involved in politics that often lets someone else decide their fates

Even then its only when their backs are up against a wall do they see the possible danger, then its almost to late to stop negative legislation in motion or attempt to close the door after bad people without honor have been elected to office, when good people didn’t get involved.





To the rest of your comments about

extremely frustrated when Philla and Pgh continually decide the fate of PA

From the ACSL anti-gun bill summary
~snip~

Reductions in the size of elected Representatives in the House and Senate



Currently We have 203 house members and 50 senators elected to office that represent everyone that lives in one of the 67 counties in PA. Everyone one PA essentially pays the same rate of state taxes in PA no matter where you live, but does the people that live outside of the few big cities in PA every receive the same share of that tax money invested back into their communities?.



Elected Representation is based on population density in both houses, not on geography, so is it any wonder that the big cities having more people living in a small area have more elected representatives. Is it less wonder these big cities Reps dominate where everyone else money is spent, which laws are created that benefit who and why the areas outside of the cities historically have little growth or investments made to expand business opportunities outside of the cities?



If we allow the numbers of the legislators to be reduced in size, the people outside of the big cities would have even less representation than they have now under the existing system. Right now the elected house Reps from the counties in which the big cities of Philly & Pittsburgh are in account for approximate ¼ the size of the house now, throw in the counties of Bucks, Chester, Delaware, Montgomery, Lancaster and York. Those 8 counties out of 67 have over half of the elected representation in the house now.



What is really need to cut the cost of government is not the size of the current full time legislators but have a part time legislators and staff like other states have would have a better effect in reduction of cost of government operation.

The underlying problem



The real problem is we have more people being governed by less people. Elected legislator, as envisioned by the founding fathers was supposed to be a part time job at most, not a full time career or primary income.



For limited time periods they left their careers, jobs, running the farm or business back home to serve the best interest of all the people of the commonwealth. They coordinated and worked with elected representatives from other parts of the common wealth for the best interest of all, knowing they served for the greater good of everyone, trying to make the lives of the people who elected them a little better, not as a lifelong career politician as many do now.



The other part of the problem is we have a great masses of people who fail in their responsibility as watch dogs to make an effort to be informed of what the issues are, to educate themselves on what problems we all face, and to be involved politically in what proposals that their elected local, county and state representatives are supporting. They're supporting a political party just for ideological reasons even when the party does hot hold to that ideology rather than supporting the best and most qualified person to represent their best interest of their country, state and family. The voters shouldn’t be re electing people that bring the most pork back home, they shouldn't be for voting based solely on 30 second sound bites or political propaganda to trick them into cast a vote like elections are a popularity contest. We have rampant voter apathy, ignorance and people just don’t care except for what someone running for office will promises to give them with no need to earn it.



Sure we have always elected officials that are corrupt or do self serving things that benefit only themselves at the expense of others, this has always been a problem, the difference is the people today don’t hold these officials accountable at election time. So where is the problem? The elected politicians that promises the people impossible things to get elected, or the people that (for a variety of reasons) re elect them back into office time and again after all the broken campaign promises and failure to deliver?



Only YOU, by your active involvement, can stop these gun owner’s nightmares from becoming law.

~snip~



Right NOW pending in the 2013-2014 PA state legislation session, we have about 8o plus firearm related bills does anyone have a list of them?

http://www.acslpa.org/html/firearms_...ng_legis_.html

Here is the April 23th upcoming event when you get a chance to work with many pro gun reps to protect your firearm rights


2013 2nd Amendment Action Day & lobbying event
http://forum.pafoa.org/political-138...ml#post2310553



Year after year most of those counties have a few to ZERO gun owners that can be bothered to go to HBG to actaully speak with elected Reps about their firearm rights are important to them.

Most that attend only come from a few counties in western PA, As to the rest of the state a few people represent many silent gun owners in an entire county in many places

Just wanted to point this out to people that always have opinions on what the legistors should do or don't do to the UFA.
There are numerous posting on PAFOA that can valid this. Never want to hear, IF you do let your veiw points known to those elected in office, don't expect them to care, more than you do.

As almost everyday in HBG their are numerous groups throwing big money at professional lobbyist or hosting events to influence politics and legislators Decisions.


Even IF you have the most pro gun guy or gal that casts the same vote you would IF you held the office, their vote still only counts as 1 in 203 house or 1 in 50 senate. So its important to contact legislators from others areas in PA that is IF its important to protect your firearm rights

So it’s important to contact legislators from others areas in PA as they all cast votes and work for you not just the ones that can cast ballots for them on election day.

As you can see from population density map below the cities control the agenda, guess were most of the most vocal anti-gun reps are from and which areas the most pro gun are from?

Politics is not push key board buttons political warfare, it requires people to become personally involved, get into action, along with at some time putting boots on the ground to dominate the battle field, as we have gotten much of the negative parts of UFA enacted by our Ignorance, silent consent and apathy when the OPFOR are fully engaged 24/7/365 to take them away a little slice at a time.

IF your firearm rights are REALLY important to you. You better make some time, to get personally involved in some capcity to protect them or expect to lose them over time to due indifferance.

[phillyd2]

They may contain a lot of people but they only make up 0.39% of the land that is PA.

Obvious answer is to take away the voting rights of people and let trees and dirt vote.

Another option would be to just count the votes of only those you agree with.

Problem solved!

[alethialogos57]

Obvious answer is to take away the voting rights of people and let trees and dirt vote.

Another option would be to just count the votes of only those you agree with.

Problem solved!

You've either missed my point or simply refused to acknowledge it. It is easy to control to the mindset of people when you pile millions into a small area. Having lived in the city before one of the things that drove me away was how dependent everyone is. Sure folks like to believe they're independent but let the power, water, phone, cable, food, gas, or any other service go down and watch what happens. Granted this is a sweeping generality and doesn't encompass everyone who lives in the city but any rational person should be able to see the norm and the exceptions. Yet I'm supposed to accept that someone who represents a big city knows better. No thank you. Heaven forbid someone should want to question how or why these two cities have so much influence or desire to change it.

[GregorOneEye]

We live in a constitutional republic and not a democracy. Let's remind people of that and accept no more infringements, just like the founders.