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**imashooter2** · December 22nd, 2020, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by jthrelf

I don't think those types of hollow points are great for defense. Just an Fyi, I could be wrong.

The reviews say they don*t open reliably unless shot from a carbine.

**MARINE DIVISION TWO** · December 22nd, 2020, 05:56 PM

Wheter th 9mm round opens or not on the penetration Its still going to hurt,Double or tripel tap as necessary .

**Rural Ruger** · December 22nd, 2020, 08:38 PM

Former Detroit PD S&W M&P 40s, $300. Not bad by 2020 standards. I think these were $250-270 last year most of the time, $230 once on a smoking hot sale

https://palmettostatearmory.com/s-w-...10118dpdu.html

**icp4life162005** · December 22nd, 2020, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by MARINE DIVISION TWO

Wheter th 9mm round opens or not on the penetration Its still going to hurt,Double or tripel tap as necessary .

Keep shooting until the shape changes.

**HanzMcFeely** · December 22nd, 2020, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by USMC3531

Cdnn has had ar10 "kits" for ok prices

I’ll check it out

thanks! The other option is to just buy a 7.62/308 battle rifle complete, but that gives another reason for Biden’s cronies to come visit me...

**eatmydust** · December 23rd, 2020, 08:41 AM

For the discerning collector that has a desire to stay off of the ATF's radar and has adequate funds for such a fine firearm:
https://elkcreekcompany.net/product/...in-38-special/

**Hodgie** · December 23rd, 2020, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by eatmydust

For the discerning collector that has a desire to stay off of the ATF's radar and has adequate funds for such a fine firearm:
https://elkcreekcompany.net/product/...in-38-special/

That’s pretty awesome, but that price of $3800.00 seems off to me for not being original and effectively ruined as a true collectors piece.

I could be way off since my collecting has never involved old west or black powder firearms.

**TooBigToFit** · December 23rd, 2020, 08:52 AM

Buds Gun Shop has the FDE, Gray, and OD P80 G20/G21 sized frames for $107 with free shipping...

https://www.budsgunshop.com/search.php?q=pf45&type=

**icp4life162005** · December 23rd, 2020, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by eatmydust

For the discerning collector that has a desire to stay off of the ATF's radar and has adequate funds for such a fine firearm:
https://elkcreekcompany.net/product/...in-38-special/

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I though the moment a black powder pistol was modernized to chamber and fire modern centerfire cartridges, that it required FFL transfer and all usual firearm/handgun rules apply?

There was talk of this over reproduction guns, as well as .45 conversions.