Almost mugged near the sheriffs office!

[Yachera]

Last night I was the designated driver for my friends. I dropped them off near the Scranton hardware bar, I parked across the street from Scranton counseling. As I was going back to my car, by myself, I noticed that this rather large man noticed me. He started walking down the street and I saw that he was looking around to see if there were witnesses, there weren't any. I realized if you apply the rational choice theory of criminology there was a motivated offender the man making a b line towards me, suitable target me a young male alot smaller than him by myself, and lack of capable guardians witnesses and LEOs. So at this point I realize shtf is about to happen, I pretented like I didnt notice him. But he was about 10-15 feet away when he put his hand in his pocket, as soon as I saw him go for his pocket I drew my NAA PUG from my front coat pocket. He was completely stunned, I looked right at him and said "Are we going to have a fucking problem tonight" he slowly pulled his hand out of his pocket said something to the effect "yo dawg ma bad" and continued on his merry way.
After that I went home strapped my Glock 19 on my hip with a 19 round mag in it and a 33 rounder in my belt loops as a spare,I wasn't F-ing around when I went to pick them up at 2am.
So how was your Saturday?

I'd like to thank everyone who participated in this discussion, this was a hypothetical that I posed after a classroom discussion. Thank you all again this really helped me gain some perspective on self defense scenarios

[redturbo0]

shoulda held him until cops arrived, I'm sure his gun is illegal.

[Emptymag]

shoulda held him until cops arrived, I'm sure his gun is illegal.

Racist.



Oh, wait... too soon?

[ArcticSplash]

Yikes. What the hell is going on up there in those mountains?

I bet he will be at it again if he hasn't already.

[ArcticSplash]

Racist.



Oh, wait... too soon?

Well... there is a housing project around where the OP parked his car. Maybe that might have something to do with why the guy was walking around that late at night in the cold with nothing to do but to act menacing.

[ungawa]

Wow, glad you are OK. Good work.

Yikes. What the hell is going on up there in those mountains?

Ask Joe Biden. That crazy retarded fuck says Scranton is crazy.

[streaker69]

Wow, glad you are OK. Good work.



Ask Joe Biden. That crazy retarded fuck says Scranton is crazy.

He's seen The Office, so I'm sure he's right.

[American1776]

You don't mention if he was approaching toward you or passing. And it's tough to tell the details from a description over the Internet. But if you really felt in immediate threat of death or crippling injury, and a reasonable person in that exact circumstance would feel that way too, then good that you stopped the threat.

My own protocols might be different, and a scary big man walking down the street with his hands in his pockets looking around by itself would not cause me to clear leather. I need some more to go on. Either a clear verbal threat, the presentation of a weapon, or an actual assault. Before that, scary looking people would cause me to change direction and go the other way first.

Mas Ayoob's words always ring clear in my head; 'every time your gun leaves its holster you are on thin ice'.

Like I said, I wasn't there, so it's all 'academic' as they say, from my point of view. Glad nothing bad happened.

[ArcticSplash]

You don't mention if he was approaching toward you or passing. And it's tough to tell the details from a description over the Internet. But if you really felt in immediate threat of death or crippling injury, and a reasonable person in that exact circumstance would feel that way too, then good that you stopped the threat.

My own protocols might be different, and a scary big man walking down the street with his hands in his pockets looking around by itself would not cause me to clear leather. I need some more to go on. Either a clear verbal threat, the presentation of a weapon, or an actual assault. Before that, scary looking people would cause me to change direction and go the other way first.

Mas Ayoob's words always ring clear in my head; 'every time your gun leaves its holster you are on thin ice'.

Like I said, I wasn't there, so it's all 'academic' as they say, from my point of view. Glad nothing bad happened.

2.3)  An actor who is not engaged in a criminal
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activity, WHO IS NOT IN ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF A FIREARM and
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who is attacked in any place where the actor would have a
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duty to retreat under paragraph (2)(ii), has no duty to
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retreat and has the right to stand his ground and use force,
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including deadly force, if:
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(i)  the actor has a right to be in the place where
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he was attacked;
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(ii)  the actor believes it is immediately necessary
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to do so to protect himself against death, serious bodily
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injury, kidnapping or sexual intercourse by force or
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threat; and
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(iii)  the person against whom the force is used
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displays or otherwise uses:
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(A)  a firearm or replica of a firearm as defined
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in 42 Pa.C.S. § 9712 (relating to sentences for
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offenses committed with firearms); or
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(B)  any other weapon readily or apparently
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capable of lethal use.

IANAL, but isn't there 3 tests for the outdoor stand your ground portion of Castle? I bolded them.

1. Yes this was met.
2. Yes this was met.
3. No this was NOT met. For scary guy to be a BG, he had to have made it clear in some way that he had a firearm or a replica of a firearm, or any other weapon capable of lethal use, which is a grey area (hands could be considered a lethal weapon, as a nuke detonator, a shiv, or a can of AquaNet in one hand with a Bic lighter in the other, but that's in the eyes of a DA vs. a jury vs. a judge vs. YOU).

[American1776]

2.3)  An actor who is not engaged in a criminal
9	
activity, WHO IS NOT IN ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF A FIREARM and
<--
10	
who is attacked in any place where the actor would have a
11	
duty to retreat under paragraph (2)(ii), has no duty to
12	
retreat and has the right to stand his ground and use force,
13	
including deadly force, if:
14	
(i)  the actor has a right to be in the place where
15	
he was attacked;
16	
(ii)  the actor believes it is immediately necessary
17	
to do so to protect himself against death, serious bodily
18	
injury, kidnapping or sexual intercourse by force or
19	
threat; and
20	
(iii)  the person against whom the force is used
21	
displays or otherwise uses:
22	
(A)  a firearm or replica of a firearm as defined
23	
in 42 Pa.C.S. § 9712 (relating to sentences for
24	
offenses committed with firearms); or
25	
(B)  any other weapon readily or apparently
26	
capable of lethal use.

IANAL, but isn't there 3 tests for the outdoor stand your ground portion of Castle? I bolded them.

1. Yes this was met.
2. Yes this was met.
3. No this was NOT met. For scary guy to be a BG, he had to have made it clear in some way that he had a firearm or a replica of a firearm

What you point out here is part of the reason why I said what I said in my last post about my own 'protocol' just seeing a big scary man put his hand in his pocket is not going to on its own cause me to draw. My first resort is to make haste in the opposite direction when all I see is big scary person.