Registration?

**Curmudgeon** · July 11th, 2012, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by darkhunter

Im actually taking the class july 29th to obtain my Utah out of residents license, and that's so much different than nj, in nj you have to register your handgun with three different places, the firearms dealer, your local police, and the state police!

Do you, or do you not have a carry permit/license from New Jersey? IIRC, Utah will not issue unless you have one from your resident state. Might want to research this a little further.

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**ay82** · July 11th, 2012, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Do you, or do you not have a carry permit/license from New Jersey? IIRC, Utah will not issue unless you have one from your resident state. Might want to research this a little further.

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Don't know the exact regulations, but maybe Florida then?

**jerkin** · July 11th, 2012, 09:08 AM

I'll have to disagree with everyone else here and say that there is a registry in PA, your particular firearm just doesn't need to be on it. Try to purchase a handgun here and keep your name off of it, won't happen. You know why? Because it's REGISTERED with the State Police. Referring to it as a "sales database" is no different than calling an illegal alien an undocumented worker.

Just because the idiots in robes interpreted the meaning of "any registry" to be "any complete registry" doesn't make it so. It makes me laugh when firearm owners will bitch if someone calls an AR-15 an assault weapon but don't hesitate to call the PSP's illegal registry a "sales database". If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.......................

**darkhunter** · July 11th, 2012, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Do you, or do you not have a carry permit/license from New Jersey? IIRC, Utah will not issue unless you have one from your resident state. Might want to research this a little further.

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I don't need an nj carry permit in order to obtain a Utah permit because nj doesn't recognize utahs license nj only recognizes their own license and the new Utah law states I must have a license from my resident state if my resident state honors utahs permit which it doesn't so im all good

**darkhunter** · July 11th, 2012, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by jerkin

I'll have to disagree with everyone else here and say that there is a registry in PA, your particular firearm just doesn't need to be on it. Try to purchase a handgun here and keep your name off of it, won't happen. You know why? Because it's REGISTERED with the State Police. Referring to it as a "sales database" is no different than calling an illegal alien an undocumented worker.

Just because the idiots in robes interpreted the meaning of "any registry" to be "any complete registry" doesn't make it so. It makes me laugh when firearm owners will bitch if someone calls an AR-15 an assault weapon but don't hesitate to call the PSP's illegal registry a "sales database". If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.......................

This is true but the state police only keep track of handguns purchased within the commonwealth not out of state handguns ( that's the argument the state police used to prove its not a full registry)

**Curmudgeon** · July 11th, 2012, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by darkhunter

I don't need an nj carry permit in order to obtain a Utah permit because nj doesn't recognize utahs license nj only recognizes their own license and the new Utah law states I must have a license from my resident state if my resident state honors utahs permit which it doesn't so im all good

Sounds like you've already done your research, which is good. I haven't kept it up all that much, I already live in America.

Sorry. Sometimes I just get carried away.

Welcome to PAFOA.

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**normanvin** · July 11th, 2012, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by jerkin

I'll have to disagree with everyone else here and say that there is a registry in PA, your particular firearm just doesn't need to be on it. Try to purchase a handgun here and keep your name off of it, won't happen. You know why? Because it's REGISTERED with the State Police. Referring to it as a "sales database" is no different than calling an illegal alien an undocumented worker.

Just because the idiots in robes interpreted the meaning of "any registry" to be "any complete registry" doesn't make it so. It makes me laugh when firearm owners will bitch if someone calls an AR-15 an assault weapon but don't hesitate to call the PSP's illegal registry a "sales database". If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.......................

I agree.

You can buy long guns all day long and never fill out a piece of paper. Why?
Your wife can buy a gun and gift it to you with out any paper work on your part. Why? The same is said for your mother, father and children.

The intended purpose of the paper work that you do need to fill out is there to ensure that you are eligible to own a firearm. That same paper work buy law is to be destroyed by the state police. The same state police that was sued and lost for trying to use that info as a registry.

The thing of it is because they have decided that they can circumvent the law is no reason that we should accept it. They will get away with it until such a time someone challenges it in court. It has been my hope that this is the direction this forum was is headed.

**Lobo41** · July 11th, 2012, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by jerkin

I'll have to disagree with everyone else here and say that there is a registry in PA, your particular firearm just doesn't need to be on it. Try to purchase a handgun here and keep your name off of it, won't happen. You know why? Because it's REGISTERED with the State Police. Referring to it as a "sales database" is no different than calling an illegal alien an undocumented worker.

Just because the idiots in robes interpreted the meaning of "any registry" to be "any complete registry" doesn't make it so. It makes me laugh when firearm owners will bitch if someone calls an AR-15 an assault weapon but don't hesitate to call the PSP's illegal registry a "sales database". If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.......................

+1 Every time this comes up in a conversation I'm saying this very thing in my head. Lucky for me I have a couple of firearms that traveled with me from other states so they aren't in the "database" as of yet. Rep incoming

Edit: That's not to say I agree with it, but its the sad truth.

**darkhunter** · July 11th, 2012, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Sounds like you've already done your research, which is good. I haven't kept it up all that much, I already live in America.

Sorry. Sometimes I just get carried away.

Welcome to PAFOA.

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I try to do as much research as possible lol and yeah I hate nj its terrible most people wait 3 months to get their handgun purchase permit I was lucky to get mine in 3 weeks because my cousins a cop but I still have to follow the bs law that I can only purchase one handgun per month

**jerkin** · July 11th, 2012, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by darkhunter

This is true but the state police only keep track of handguns purchased within the commonwealth not out of state handguns ( that's the argument the state police used to prove its not a full registry)

Full registry has nothing to do with anything, here is the quote word for word from the UFA:

nothing in this chapter shall be construed to allow any
government or law enforcement agency or any agent thereof to
create, maintain or operate any registry of firearm ownership
within this Commonwealth.

Notice the part I bolded, it says "any registry", not "any full registry". I've looked at every definition I could find for the word "registry" and I've found nothing that has the word "complete" in it anywhere. Just because there may be a percentage point or two of the handguns in the state not in the registry does not make it something else.