NJ to PA - Transporting Firearms

[Shadowline]

My father lives in NJ and has a huge arsenal of firearms. He has several that I'm thinking of buying from him which he is ready to loan to me so I can try them out. So the question is, am I able to transport them back to PA from NJ or am I just asking for NJ state police to pull me over?

[EandGWZ]

My father lives in NJ and has a huge arsenal of firearms. He has several that I'm thinking of buying from him which he is ready to loan to me so I can try them out. So the question is, am I able to transport them back to PA from NJ or am I just asking for NJ state police to pull me over?

I think you would either have to have him transfer them to a PA FFL or have an NJFID.

[BimmerJon]

He can not loan them or give them to you. They must be transferred through an FFL.

For firearms, in the buyers home state (ship to your FFL)
For long guns, in any state.

You are dealing with federal law being interstate

[Draxton Smitz]

He can not loan them or give them to you. They must be transferred through an FFL.

For firearms, in the buyers home state (ship to your FFL)
For long guns, in any state.

You are dealing with federal law being interstate

I don't know about this. This is NJ we are talking about. I don't think they will transfer him a long gun unles he has an NJ foid card.

[BimmerJon]

I don't know about this. This is NJ we are talking about. I don't think they will transfer him a long gun unles he has an NJ foid card.

OP lives in PA. He doesn't need a NJ FOID card anymore than he would need a Russian passport

[mrjam2jab]

I don't know about this. This is NJ we are talking about. I don't think they will transfer him a long gun unles he has an NJ foid card.

From a NJ forum:

1. Handgun purchases by
....A. NJ resident from
........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a P2P and Photo ID
........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a P2P with Photo ID suggested
........(3) Out-of-state dealer = must be transferred through NJ dealer - Refer 1A(1)
........(4) Out-of-state resident = must be transferred through NJ dealer - Refer 1A(1)
....B. Out-of-state resident from
........(1) NJ dealer = must be transferred through buyer's home state dealer
........(2) NJ resident = must be transferred through buyer's home state dealer

2. Long gun purchases by
....A. NJ resident from
........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID
........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested
........(3) Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID
........(4) Out-of-state resident = must be transferred through
............a. NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID or
............b. Out-of-state dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID
....B. Non-resident from
........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID
........(2) NJ resident = must be transferred through
............a. NJ dealer = NICS check with a FPID, COE and Photo ID or
............b. Out-of-state dealer = consult buyer's home state laws

3. Blackpowder and pellet handgun purchases by
....A. NJ resident from
........(1) NJ dealer = only a P2P and Photo ID required
........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a P2P with Photo ID suggested
........(3) Out-of-state dealer = no requirement
........(4) Out-of-state resident = no requirement
....B. Out-of-state resident from
........(1) NJ dealer = must be shipped to an out-of-state address
........(2) NJ resident = transfer must take place out-of-state

4. Blackpowder and pellet long gun purchases by
....A. NJ resident from
........(1) NJ dealer = only a FPID, COE and Photo ID required
........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested
........(3) Out-of-state dealer = no requirement
........(4) Out-of-state resident = no requirement
....B. Non-resident from
........(1) NJ dealer = only a FPID, COE and Photo ID required
........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a FPID, COE with Photo ID suggested or transfer must take place out-of-state

Quote
NJ = "New Jersey"
NICS = "National Instant Criminal Background Check System"
P2P = "Permit to Purchase a Handgun and Form of Register"
ID = "Identification"
FPID = "State of NJ Firearms Purchaser IDENTIFICATION CARD"
COE = "Certificate of Eligibility"

[OldSchoolPC]

Isn't there federal law that allows for interstate transport? Also, if he is your father, why transfer? Do you WANT pa to know if you aren't legally required to. He can gift them to your if I am not mistaken.

[BimmerJon]

Isn't there federal law that allows for interstate transport? Also, if he is your father, why transfer? Do you WANT pa to know if you aren't legally required to. He can gift them to your if I am not mistaken.

You are mistaken. Must go through FFL, he can't gift it FTF and FOPA transport is not valid here

[EandGWZ]

Isn't there federal law that allows for interstate transport? Also, if he is your father, why transfer? Do you WANT pa to know if you aren't legally required to. He can gift them to your if I am not mistaken.

Seems logical (the part of a father being able to gift a gun to his son without governmental interference) and most probably do it but if anything ever happens with those weapons you are finished.

[BimmerJon]

Seems logical (the part of a father being able to gift a gun to his son without governmental interference) and most probably do it but if anything ever happens with those weapons you are finished.

OP lives in PA.... Dad lives in NJ... A transfer can't occur unless an FFL is used.
Firearms require a transfer in the buyer HOME state (PA), which means the firearms would need to be shipped to an FFL in PA.

Long Guns require a transfer in either state, but it gets kinda hairy when the OP is driving back to PA with them.

The dad CAN NOT gift, give or transfer the guns WITHOUT an FFL.

IANAL but.... FOPA does NOT apply here either, as it protects your travel between states. PA to NJ would not qualify IMHO