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    live in NJ own prop with home in PA. Have FL, UTAH, NH, ME, AZ, VA, CT CCW's. I realize I cannot apply for and receive a PA CCW unless I move. My question is if I can get a PA State issued ID for the purchase or sale of firearms while in PA.

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    No such Animal, PA is a free state unlike New Jerkistan.

    If you have your NJ FOID card you should be able to buy NJ compliant long arms.

    Handguns follow the rules of your home state too so you need a NJ permit to purchase.

    Even with the proper credentials a PA FFL might not sell to you.
    Last edited by wis bang; March 14th, 2012 at 04:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARRY ON View Post
    Have FL, UTAH, NH, ME, AZ, VA, CT CCW's.
    Wow. Seems like a bit of duplication in there, but more power to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARRY ON View Post
    live in NJ own prop with home in PA. Have FL, UTAH, NH, ME, AZ, VA, CT CCW's. I realize I cannot apply for and receive a PA CCW unless I move. My question is if I can get a PA State issued ID for the purchase or sale of firearms while in PA.
    I believe a person can only have ONE DL or state issued photo ID.

    You can't have 2 DLs from different states and can't have a DL from one state and a state ID from another, if I understand correctly

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    Where one has a DL is irrelavent to the conversation. The OP has a residence in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania law requires one have a Pennsylvania residence if applying for a license (or a license from their home state if applying for a nonresident license).

    OP has a domicile in New Jersey, but Pennsylvania law doesn't require a Pennsylvania domicile, just a Pennsylvania residence.

    There is a difference between the two.

    He needs to be able to show proof of residence when applying for a Pennsylvania license.

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    Do you maintain and use the PA home as a vacation or weekend home? Is it for your exclusive use?

    If so then while occupying that PA secondary home you are considered a PA resident for Federal Firearm law (Chapter 44) purposes:


    27 CFR § 478.11 State of residence. The State in which
    an individual resides. An individual resides
    in a State if he or she is present
    in a State with the intention of making
    a home in that State. If an individual
    is on active duty as a member of
    the Armed Forces, the individual’s
    State of residence is the State in which
    his or her permanent duty station is located.
    An alien who is legally in the
    United States shall be considered to be
    a resident of a State only if the alien is
    residing in the State and has resided in
    the State for a period of at least 90
    days prior to the date of sale or delivery
    of a firearm. The following are examples
    that illustrate this definition:
    Example 1. A maintains a home in State X.
    A travels to State Y on a hunting, fishing,
    business, or other type of trip. A does not become
    a resident of State Y by reason of such
    trip.
    Example 2. A is a U.S. citizen and maintains
    a home in State X and a home in State
    Y. A resides in State X except for weekends
    or the summer months of the year and in
    State Y for the weekends or the summer
    months of the year. During the time that A
    actually resides in State X, A is a resident of
    State X, and during the time that A actually
    resides in State Y, A is a resident of State Y
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    Might have to search for a friendly Pa FFL that knows about this dual-residency allowance and feels confortable with a sale but it is legal and you should be able to purchase firearms in PA like any other PA resident even with an NJ DL + proof of your PA home. I would suggest that the PA firearms should be kept in your PA home.

    If you intend to stock up in PA and then take the PA FFL bought firearms back to your NJ residence I would suspect that NJ would frown on it and you do have transport vulnerabilities once you enter NJ unless you have an NJFID for longarms or an NJCCW for handguns. I'm unaware of any NJ laws that prohibit the possession of the PA firearms once you reach your NJ residence. There may be a gray area of Federal law if you take FTF bought firearms to NJ.

    Before using the above you should investigate further and then proceed at your delight or peril.
    IANAL

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARRY ON View Post
    live in NJ own prop with home in PA. ... I realize I cannot apply for and receive a PA CCW unless I move. My question is if I can get a PA State issued ID for the purchase or sale of firearms while in PA.
    Quote Originally Posted by Statkowski View Post
    Where one has a DL is irrelavent to the conversation. The OP has a residence in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania law requires one have a Pennsylvania residence if applying for a license (or a license from their home state if applying for a nonresident license).

    OP has a domicile in New Jersey, but Pennsylvania law doesn't require a Pennsylvania domicile, just a Pennsylvania residence.

    There is a difference between the two.

    He needs to be able to show proof of residence when applying for a Pennsylvania license.
    Yeah, but the OP, who lives in NJ (and I would imagine has a NJ DL or state ID, specifically asked if he could get a PA State issued ID.

    Aren't I correct in assuming that he would have to give up his NJ DL or state ID, to get a PA State issued ID?

    That's what I was saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiredGoon View Post
    Aren't I correct in assuming that he would have to give up his NJ DL or state ID, to get a PA State issued ID?
    Yes, you are correct -- particularly since the 2005 "Real ID" Act. A State ID is essentially a drivers license without driving privileges, and you can only have one at a time.

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    Check http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/licensing...identity.shtml

    Have to be a resident.

    I had a DL in PA and FLA at the same time. FLA DL was in state only, which allowed me to do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CARRY ON View Post
    live in NJ own prop with home in PA. Have FL, UTAH, NH, ME, AZ, VA, CT CCW's. I realize I cannot apply for and receive a PA CCW unless I move. My question is if I can get a PA State issued ID for the purchase or sale of firearms while in PA.
    Well first off i offer my condulances on living in jersey and as for your queistion, easy answer move to PA and you can get into a really fun part of the firearms world called NFA.

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