Another registration thing.

[The Unknown 1087]

Alright, I know people say there isn't a registration for handguns...However I am starting to think otherwise. So literally just now I had my scanner on. A unit pulled someone over, and the unit asked county to confirm that he has a "permit". He also gave the persons serial number over the air to them. County came back and stated "so and so has a valid permit. Serial comes back to a smith and wesson" I didnt catch the model. At no point did he say it was a smith and wesson.

How does this work?

[UBC2006]

Is this a serious post or a joke?

[streaker69]

Because they're using the record of sale database as a registration database illegally.

[BimmerJon]

Good thread.

I, myself, have been recently thinking about murder. People say it is illegal, but I dunno... I hear people are doing it all over.

[jerkin]

There certainly is a handgun registry in Pa, you just saw it being used first hand. Anyone that says it's a sales database, not a registry is only legitimizing it. Here is the law on sales records for firearms:

(v) Unless it has been discovered pursuant to a
criminal history, juvenile delinquency and mental health
records background check that the potential purchaser or
transferee is prohibited from possessing a firearm
pursuant to section 6105 (relating to persons not to
possess, use, manufacture, control, sell or transfer
firearms), no information on the application/record of
sale provided pursuant to this subsection shall be
retained as precluded by section 6111.4 (relating to
registration of firearms) by the Pennsylvania State
Police either through retention of the application/record
of sale or by entering the information onto a computer,
and, further, an application/record of sale received by
the Pennsylvania State Police pursuant to this subsection
shall be destroyed within 72 hours of the completion of
the criminal history, juvenile delinquency and mental
health records background check.

[twency]

There certainly is a handgun registry in Pa, you just saw it being used first hand. Anyone that says it's a sales database, not a registry is only legitimizing it. Here is the law on sales records for firearms:

[...]

I am sympathetic to your argument, but the Pennsylvania Supreme Court is not. Allegheny County Sportsmen’s League v. Rendell.

(Actually, that decision went so far as to acknowledges that it's a registry, but said it's not the kind of registry the legislature meant to prohibit since it's a registry of sales data, not ownership.)

[mauser]

Title 18, Chapter 61, Subchapter A:

§ 6111.4. Registration of firearms.

Notwithstanding any section of this chapter to the contrary, nothing in this chapter shall be construed to allow any government or law enforcement agency or any agent thereof to create, maintain or operate any registry of firearm ownership within this Commonwealth. For the purposes of this section only, the term "firearm" shall include any weapon that is designed to or may readily be converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive or the frame or receiver of any such weapon.

Take it for what it's worth. It's in the statutes, does that really mean anything?

[mjfletcher]

Title 18, Chapter 61, Subchapter A:



Take it for what it's worth. It's in the statutes, does that really mean anything?

Nope, the statutes say no info from the ROS can be retained in any way, may not be entered into a computer, and the ROS itself has to be destroyed and yet I'm willing to bet the .380 I bought almost 15 years ago will come back to me if the SN is run.

[mauser]

Nope, the statutes say no info from the ROS can be retained in any way, may not be entered into a computer, and the ROS itself has to be destroyed and yet I'm willing to bet the .380 I bought almost 15 years ago will come back to me if the SN is run.

We're on the same page.
So many times you see in the news that 'the gun wasn't registered to him' or some similar tripe.
If they keep a database of guns that were reported as lost or stolen so they can track guns that were used in crimes to see if they were stolen that's one thing. It seems like they are able to track almost any gun back to it's owner whether it's been reported as stolen or not. If that's not a registry I don't know what is.

[mauser]

On another note, if you have a C&R gun that you bought with an 03 license and they run the serial number I'm willing to bet that the gun will be confiscated because they won't find record of you owning that gun in their 'Database'. The same would probably happen to a gun that was bought before the registration/database thing and handed down through a generation or two.