View Poll Results: What is more important to you
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Life
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Freedom and Liberty
27 79.41% -
Law and Order
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other
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Thread: Which is more important
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December 2nd, 2006, 10:27 AM #1
Which is more important
Just a little research to see how my fellow pennsylvanians view things. Namely what is most important to them.Im betting a lot of people never considered it. Any participation is appreciated.
An enemy of liberty is no friend of mine!I do not owe respect to anyone who would enslave me by government force,nor is it wise for such a person to expect it!
Isaiah Ambrey
If you think you have the right not to be offended. I suggest you promptly purchase a toe attachment and a twelve gauge. One time use is all that is necessary.
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December 2nd, 2006, 10:48 AM #2
Re: Which is more important
I find it funny that the great majority of people dont really understand the true concept of "freedom".
Hint- The Government won't give it to you.==============
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!”
~Samuel Adams
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
~Thomas Jefferson, 1791
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December 2nd, 2006, 11:03 AM #3Senior Member
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Re: Which is more important
That's a no brainer:
Freedom and Liberty
grizz
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December 2nd, 2006, 11:06 AM #4
Re: Which is more important
An enemy of liberty is no friend of mine!I do not owe respect to anyone who would enslave me by government force,nor is it wise for such a person to expect it!
Isaiah Ambrey
If you think you have the right not to be offended. I suggest you promptly purchase a toe attachment and a twelve gauge. One time use is all that is necessary.
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December 2nd, 2006, 11:23 AM #5
Re: Which is more important
A very interesting question to ponder.
Of course the easy answer is Freedom and Liberty. But do we really mean it? If the police came to our homes to arrest us would we really die before going with them? If one put a gun to our head and ordered us to hand over our gun, would we really? I mean really!
Do we really mean Live Free or Die? Look at all our current laws, big and small, and how do we act? Not allowed to carry in NJ? Do we still or do we leave the gun at home? Seatbelt laws? No Smoking?
Seems to me most of us grit our teeth, curse the state and then comply.
Live Free or Die?
Well, at least it looks good on a bumper sticker.
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December 2nd, 2006, 02:42 PM #6Grand Member
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Re: Which is more important
It depends. Are we talking about slow, incremental abridgements of our civil liberties or an abrupt and complete suspension of our Constitution? The people of this nation did fight a revolution once upon a time so I would say the inclination to do so again is imbedded in our subconscious.
OTOH, I have no doubts that most of the macho, chest beating, "from my cold dead hands* crowd would hand over their firearms with not much more than a wimper. It's easy to *say* these things but in reality they're much harder to *do*. Here's a twist, instead of holding a gun to your head, what if they were holding a gun to your wife or child's head? Would you be willing to sacrifice their lives?
Gun confiscation doesn't necessarily preclude the possibility of armed revolution. Let's not forget the existence of millions of firearms in this country. If push ever does come to shove ......
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December 2nd, 2006, 03:10 PM #7
Re: Which is more important
I spent the first 20 years of my adult life putting my body on the line to protect and defend the constitution. Would I willingly give me life for freedom and liberty, Yes. Would i willingly thow my life away for no possible positive outcome? no. That's just another form of suicide. given the example of some "authority" going door to door collecting private arms, My choice would be to not be there when they get to my door. My arms and I would be "In the wind".
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December 2nd, 2006, 03:18 PM #8
Re: Which is more important
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“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!”
~Samuel Adams
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
~Thomas Jefferson, 1791
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December 2nd, 2006, 08:17 PM #9
Re: Which is more important
The Macho, chest-beating, shoot the confiscators at the door might be more extreme than most people would go, but I think a lot of handguns would be reported stolen, and rifles will be reported as "sold to an idividual a few months ago, I forget what his name was now."
Is anyone still selling those tubes for burying your guns in the backyard?
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December 2nd, 2006, 11:20 PM #10
Re: Which is more important
Thanks guys. I appreciate all the comments.
This is exactly the type of thing I have pondered long and hard. I personally have become less and less tolerant of the theft of my Liberty. I honestly have always beena little more prone to violence when threaten or imposed upon than most . So if only my well being is at stake I have no problem fighting for my liberty. But as was mentioned what about my wife and son? If we submit to attacks on our liberty to protect the lives of our loved ones are we doing them a service? What is life without liberty? Much of my desire to have true freedom and liberty is for my son to have a better life. But at what cost?
This question is not as easy as it first apears. But the founding fathers had to make this very same decision.
For me i believe we should undertake activism and peaceful means fo protest in striving for liberty.
If any situation turns violent ,such as the authoritarian attacks on the residents of N.O, each individual will have to make the decison based on his circumstances. Proclamations such as "from my cold dead hands mean little" as it is rarely the people making the proclamations who are in a situation to live up to them. I doubt there was much posturing of this type by the victims of ruby ridge and waco. I never heard of anyone kicking in charlton hestons door to steal his multi thousand dollar sporting rifles.
just something to think about.Last edited by josh; December 2nd, 2006 at 11:29 PM.
An enemy of liberty is no friend of mine!I do not owe respect to anyone who would enslave me by government force,nor is it wise for such a person to expect it!
Isaiah Ambrey
If you think you have the right not to be offended. I suggest you promptly purchase a toe attachment and a twelve gauge. One time use is all that is necessary.
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