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December 8th, 2011, 12:48 PM #1
'Run the Serial Number...'
Inspired by yet another thread with a LEO 'run the serial number' in it.
Can someone object to the 'run the serial numbers' and if so what would happen? I had a local speedtrap cop 'run the serial numbers' on my pistol once years ago. I told him it was not purchased in PA and wouldn't show up, but he ran it anyway.
Since PA 'doesn't have' a firearms registry, what are they running it against?
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December 8th, 2011, 12:49 PM #2
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probably checking for if its stolen, not registered.
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December 8th, 2011, 12:52 PM #3
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From this thread posted by a police officer:
http://forum.pafoa.org/general-2/156...forcement.html
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December 8th, 2011, 12:54 PM #4
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Thank you very much for the link. I appreciate it.
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December 8th, 2011, 12:55 PM #5
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I believe the only ground you'd have to stand on is a 4th Amendment issue, but since the officers are given vast amounts of leeway during traffic stops, if they decide to take your firearm "until the conclusion of the stop," you won't really be able to say no.
During an on-foot encounter, though, you have a better shot at telling him you are exercising your rights and not having to turn your posessions over.
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December 8th, 2011, 12:59 PM #6
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I know an individual will mostly be unable to object to the removal for the duration an encounter if the officer desires it. I mean can I object to him 'running the number' while it is in his possession, (ex. a verbal 'I do not consent to you 'running the serial number' and feel that you have no probable cause to do so.")?
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December 8th, 2011, 01:14 PM #7
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You can object to the color of the sky all you want, but it's not within your control. Once the firearm is in an officer's hands and not yours, it's no longer your choice, no matter what you say. The more adament you are about them not running, the more they'll want to, anyway.
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December 8th, 2011, 01:14 PM #8
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Temporarily securing a firearm for officer's safety is just fine and dandy. Where it they violate the law in PA is checking to see if it's stolen. There is no case number,file number, no probable cause to believe the firearm is stolen or had been used in a crime, then there is no basis to check it against any database. Do they run your jockey shorts too? There is no difference. Private personal property is just that and seizing property for safety is one thing, checking without legal standing to see "WHATEVER" is a huge no no.
No LEO can just arbitrarily run Tags, DL #'s, LTCF, or any other thing just because. There has to be a valid legal reason for an officer to take action.
CL
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December 8th, 2011, 01:20 PM #9
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December 8th, 2011, 01:33 PM #10Junior Member
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Re: 'Run the Serial Number...'
I've been stopped because "i was behind you and ran your tag."
I had transferred the tag the day before and it came back to the other vehicle.
As the officer approached and asked for dl, reg, and ins, I asked the reason for the stop. When he told me, I gave him the pink slip only. He was upset, but I assume since he had no probable cause to stop me, he didn't object.
I knew I hadn't done anything wrong, as I was well aware he was behind me for two miles.
Second time same officer stopped me in 5 days. Previous was for a headlight out. Maybe the tag rang a bell, or maybe he was just a bored small town cop at 0030.
I was not carrying at the time.
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