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    Default Obama Adminsitration guilty of Federal Crimes

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    Explosive new documents released by the Dept of Justice last Friday prove beyond any reasonable doubt that Attorney General Eric Holder lied under oath when he stated before Daryl Issa's investigative committee that he had only recently learned of the gun walking Operation Fast and Furious.

    The email exchanges show Holder was receiving briefs about the operation as early as July 2010. Holder now claims that he " didnt understand the question " and that he actually did know about Fast and Furious, but thought Issa was asking if he knew about the details of the program. Eric Holder is an attorney, he certainly would never allow such a blatant CYA attempt to stand without objection were he the one questioning a witness under oath. Bottom line, he's caught and he knows it and is desperately scrambling to save his own ass.

    There is overwhelming evidence that high level members of this Administration, including , but hardly limited to Holder, Janet Incompitano, most certainly Hillary Clinton and in all likelyhood President " we're working on gun control under the radar " Obama are all guilty of significant criminal acts such as, innumerable violations of Federal and State Firearms Laws, International Arms Smuggling Treaties, accessory to murder with depraved indifference, conspiracy and perjury under oath.

    This scandal isnt a trivial thing like Bill Clinton lying about getting a hummer in the Oval Office, Nixon was run out of office for what amounted to a third rate misdemeanor burglary charge. Fast and Furious even eclipses the Iran-Contra Affair in its scope and insidious end goals.

    Fast and Furious was clearly designed from day one to fabricate evidence to make true the bold faced lie that the majority of firearms in the hands of ruthless drug cartels in Mexico were coming from American Gun Shops in order to drum up popular support for tyrannical new restrictions on the Second Amendment rights of US Citizens.

    The Administration alchemists that cooked up this evil witches brew to further their agenda have demonstrated no regard what-so-ever for the hundreds of innocent lives they sacrificed on their ideological altar of gun control , including at least one Federal Agent. Equally reprehensible is their utter contempt for the rule of law, clearly having not a moments hesitation in blatantly violating laws that, had they been broken by any regular citizen, would have resulted in near instantaneous "perp walks " on National news media and decades long prison sentences.

    It remains to be seen if these criminal acts will actually be Prosecuted to the extent the American Public deserves



    "Decency,security and liberty alike demand that government officials shall be subject to the rules of conduct that are commands to the citizen.

    In a government of laws, existence of government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, omnipresent teacher. For good or ill, it teaches the whole people by example. Crime is contagious, if the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for the law. It invites every man to become a law unto himself. It invites anarchy."


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    US v Olmstead, 277 U.S. 438 (1928)
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    Default Re: Obama Adminsitration guilty of Federal Crimes

    Could we go two for two on impeaching this Democrat President?

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    This latest news release is being covered at length over in the PROJECT GUN-WALKER AND THE ATF thread.

    However, You quote Brandeis here:
    ""Decency,security and liberty alike demand that government officials shall be subject to the rules of conduct that are commands to the citizen.

    In a government of laws, existence of government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, omnipresent teacher. For good or ill, it teaches the whole people by example. Crime is contagious, if the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for the law. It invites every man to become a law unto himself. It invites anarchy."

    Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, dissenting.
    US v Olmstead, 277 U.S. 438 (1928)

    ....and it raises a serious issue; when the Attorney General of the U.S., also known as the highest law enforcement official in the land, is caught in a lie, who will prosecute him?

    This is not some mild, inconsequential lie. It is a lie that has resulted in the cover up of serious crimes. Those crimes have contributed to the death of 2 federal agents and at least 200 Mexican citizens. We have not seen the end of the violence that has been let loose by handing guns to criminals both here and abroad. I dare say there will be a much higher body count in the coming months and years. Other crimes associated with the original crime of gun-walking are, perjury, obstruction of justice, usurpation of the Constitution (I call that treason), destruction of evidence, accessory to murder, and let us not forget the violation of whistle-blower protection laws. These are just a few that come to me right away.

    When the government violates the law, it indeed makes a mockery of our very system of justice, breeds contempt and sets a precedent for others to follow. The federal government of the U.S. acts more and more like a rogue banana republic than the great nation we once were.

    There is nowhere else to run if we lose freedom here. Americans had better wake up and take back our country. For it is far easier to preserve liberty, even as it hangs by a thread, than to try and regain it once it has been lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by customloaded View Post
    Could we go two for two on impeaching this Democrat President?

    CL
    Based on the evidence, I think it is possible that much of his cabinet could be brought up on charges and all of it relates to the Gun-Walker scandal. Hillary knew. The Napolitano thing knew. Mueller at FBI was involved.

    As Mike Vanderboegh has pointed out, the Dead Elephant Party is showing themselves to be a bunch of boneless chickens.

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    Does anyone here really expect anything to come of this?

    Honestly????

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    Quote Originally Posted by camper View Post
    Does anyone here really expect anything to come of this?

    Honestly????

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    If enough people do their part and refuse to let go and hammer their Congress Critters demanding accountability then sure, why not ? Lots of people didnt think there was any point to putting in the effort to browbeat the State Legislature with relentless pressure to get Act 10 passed into law, but we did it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by son of the revolution View Post
    If enough people do their part and refuse to let go and hammer their Congress Critters demanding accountability then sure, why not ? Lots of people didnt think there was any point to putting in the effort to browbeat the State Legislature with relentless pressure to get Act 10 passed into law, but we did it.
    Bill Clinton lied under oath, and was impeached for that and obstruction of justice by the House of Representatives. The Senate acquitted him.

    Only one of two presidents of the USA to EVER be impeached, and he got away with it.

    Obama is loved more than Clinton, and if there is a risk of Barrack getting shit on his upturned nose, then no...nothing will happen. And the media will make it look like the 'vast right wing conspiracy' that Hillary could never have envisioned in her wildest wet dreams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camper View Post
    Bill Clinton lied under oath, and was impeached for that and obstruction of justice by the House of Representatives. The Senate acquitted him.

    Only one of two presidents of the USA to EVER be impeached, and he got away with it.

    Obama is loved more than Clinton, and if there is a risk of Barrack getting shit on his upturned nose, then no...nothing will happen. And the media will make it look like the 'vast right wing conspiracy' that Hillary could never have envisioned in her wildest wet dreams.

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    True enough, but I didnt necessarily mean, nor did I write that Obama would ever be successfully impeached, but there's still plenty of other low hanging fruit, Holder tops among them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by son of the revolution View Post
    True enough, but I didnt necessarily mean, nor did I write that Obama would ever be successfully impeached, but there's still plenty of other low hanging fruit, Holder tops among them.
    The only way that will happen, is if Obama is willing to sell them out.

    And since he cares most about self protection, Obama very well may sell out Holder.

    Trust me...nothing I want MORE than to see these people pay for their crimes & ineptitude, but since they're not Republicans nobody (that the media cares about) is calling for their heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camper View Post
    Bill Clinton lied under oath, and was impeached for that and obstruction of justice by the House of Representatives. The Senate acquitted him.

    Only one of two presidents of the USA to EVER be impeached, and he got away with it.

    Obama is loved more than Clinton, and if there is a risk of Barrack getting shit on his upturned nose, then no...nothing will happen. And the media will make it look like the 'vast right wing conspiracy' that Hillary could never have envisioned in her wildest wet dreams.

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    To address your first question in post #5, I would say, yes, most definitely! One way or another something is going to come of this. On the side of a remedy at law, I would argue there is a plenty of evidence to mount a serious prosecution of Holder at a minimum and quite possibly others, like, Hillary, Napolitano, Mueller, Newell, and many others in ATF. Those prosecutions could result in jail time for some. Certainly loss of their job for many others. If your question is more specifically: Will it take down Obama? mmmm I would not rule that out. O is hated by the right. He is as divisive a public figure as one can find and losing popularity on a daily basis. In fact, he is now unpopular among many of his base constituency.

    Another tertiary result could be widespread discredit of the main-stream-media for their refusal to report this mess. This could be a final peg in the coffin of news print media and forever leave them scorned by the populous whom they are alleged to inform.

    Having said all that, I would argue that this nation is at the tipping point and we might very well see a groundswell of political action, to the degree that we could have civil unrest as a result of the scandal. The failure of media to report it for what it is, the cover-up on part of DoJ, the arrogance and hubris with which the scheme was conceived and implemented, in addition to other factors like tremendous discontent among the politically aware all add up to a not so pretty picture for politicians in general, Democrats more specifically and the current crop of the executive branch in particular.

    Therefore, I urge everyone to continue to push for action. Demand accountability. Inform those who are not aware of the scandal. I can tell you that I have shared the tales of Gun-Walker with many of my international friends and associates. People I know in Japan, China, Euroland, and many states here in America are appalled at the notion that this government could be so wrong headed and corrupt as to play a game like this. Believe me when I say, the world is watching America. We, as a nation, still hold a lot of sway among other people in the world. Our lead is looked to for just that, leadership. We the people should not disappoint.

    KEEP PUSHING! DON'T ALLOW THIS TO GO UNPUNISHED.

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