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    Default Re: Chris Christie for Prez ?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brick View Post
    So let's understand:

    1. A Republican is not always a Conservative. There are "progressive" Republicans and big governemnt republicans. If you want you can call them "establishment Republicans" or Rockefeller Republicans".

    2. Conservatives aren't neccessarily "Liberatian" minded. Some are often very close to being "statists" in their views on abortion, individual rights, state's "rights" (powers and responsibilities) and law enforcement "activities".

    3. Libertarians miss the boat too on some issues. Not so much in their theory, but in the implementation of policy.

    So for this one there isn't going to be a "perfect" candidate. They all have flaws and winning the Presidency is an important goal. And even more important is winning both houses of Congress. So pick your man and back him to the hilt for the party primary. But don't give up and sit out the election if he doesn't get the nomination.
    I don't think I could've said it any better. Nothing gets me madder than when I hear someone tell me "if my candidate doesn't get the nod to run against Obama I'm sitting our the election & everyone will get what they deserve", makes me want to smack them upside the head
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    Default Re: Chris Christie for Prez ?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by exceltoexcel View Post
    If ron paul doesnt win the nomination, unless a good libertarian shows up, im not votng for president this time around, ill vote for the other offices. Im not voting for a republican thats really a democrat..

    Im done choosing between dumb and dumber!
    You do realise that if Obama wins because people like you sit out it could give him the chance for more supreme court nominations that could tip the scales in favor of anti-gun rulings & stripping away some of our rights. I don't particularly care for Ron Paul but I'm not a enough of a sore loser to say I won't vote if he gets the nomination. That reminds me of a child getting mad & taking his marbles, baseball,or whatever home so no one else can play either
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    Default Re: Chris Christie for Prez ?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by steelerfan View Post
    You do realise that if Obama wins because people like you sit out it could give him the chance for more supreme court nominations that could tip the scales in favor of anti-gun rulings & stripping away some of our rights. I don't particularly care for Ron Paul but I'm not a enough of a sore loser to say I won't vote if he gets the nomination. That reminds me of a child getting mad & taking his marbles, baseball,or whatever home so no one else can play either
    They are my marbles and my fucking bat...

    You do realize that if romney gets in there he'll probably vote in the same type of ass clown supreme court judge as obama so whats the difference.

    Either I havd someone worth voting for to vote for or whats the point?

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    Default Re: Chris Christie for Prez ?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by customloaded View Post
    If he wasn't anti gun and pro law enforcement, I would vote for him. Schools should be privatized as an education is not a Constitutional Right in any state or federal constitutions. You want your kids educated, you pay for it out of pocket. This tax everyone bullshit is a huge social policy failure.

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    Really?????? Did you and your entire family go to a paid private school? The reasons our public schools are failing are HIGH in number. Non standardized curriculum across the nation. The removal of Phonics from curriculum. The portion of no child left behind that requires teachers to promote failing children, etc. I could go on forever. However, the biggest problem is parents not doing their part at home with their children which is a whole other huge problem in and of itself.

    As far as your suggestion that everyone should pay for private school, do you know how much the average private school costs per month in my county? $700-$800 bucks! I know this because I sent BOTH of my children to private school for kindergarten and first grade (my son). It was too expensive for me to continue. Mind you, my wife and I were making pretty decent money. I had to put them in public school.

    Now what do you think the situation will be for most Americans across the country? Do you really believe they will be able to afford private schooling? No offense (and I mean that sincerely) but the suggestion of everyone having to pay for schooling is downright ridiculous.

    The US has already slipped to I think 23rd place in the world in education. Do you really believe privatizing school is going to help when most people wouldn't even be able to afford it? Teachers don't teach for free. Principles don't manage for free. Janitors don't clean for free. Book makers don't give books to school districts for free. Buses drivers don't drive kids to school for free. Again, what happens when most of America is priced out of k-12 education because its privatized and out of their price range? How cheap do you think they can offer privatized education before it reaches the point that it must be subsidized? Lemme guess, CHEAPER or NO education? Yeah, that worked out quite well for England.

    Christie is a crooked ruse plain and simple.

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    Default Re: Chris Christie for Prez ?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by exceltoexcel View Post
    They are my marbles and my fucking bat...

    You do realize that if romney gets in there he'll probably vote in the same type of ass clown supreme court judge as obama so whats the difference.

    Either I havd someone worth voting for to vote for or whats the point?
    I seriously doubt that, there's no way any republican is as radical left wing as Obama. You need to vote what's best for our country & our rights with the choices given before we find that we have no choices left
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    Quote Originally Posted by Downr@nge View Post
    Really?????? Did you and your entire family go to a paid private school? The reasons our public schools are failing are HIGH in number. Non standardized curriculum across the nation. The removal of Phonics from curriculum. The portion of no child left behind that requires teachers to promote failing children, etc. I could go on forever. However, the biggest problem is parents not doing their part at home with their children which is a whole other huge problem in and of itself.

    As far as your suggestion that everyone should pay for private school, do you know how much the average private school costs per month in my county? $700-$800 bucks! I know this because I sent BOTH of my children to private school for kindergarten and first grade (my son). It was too expensive for me to continue. Mind you, my wife and I were making pretty decent money. I had to put them in public school.

    Now what do you think the situation will be for most Americans across the country? Do you really believe they will be able to afford private schooling? No offense (and I mean that sincerely) but the suggestion of everyone having to pay for schooling is downright ridiculous.

    The US has already slipped to I think 23rd place in the world in education. Do you really believe privatizing school is going to help when most people wouldn't even be able to afford it? Teachers don't teach for free. Principles don't manage for free. Janitors don't clean for free. Book makers don't give books to school districts for free. Buses drivers don't drive kids to school for free. Again, what happens when most of America is priced out of k-12 education because its privatized and out of their price range? How cheap do you think they can offer privatized education before it reaches the point that it must be subsidized? Lemme guess, CHEAPER or NO education? Yeah, that worked out quite well for England.

    Christie is a crooked ruse plain and simple.
    I, like you live in South Socialists Republic of NJ and I too sent my son to private school for two years. When we had our daughter we couldn't afford to do it anymore. We are already raising spoiled lazy children and private schools in my opinion make it worse.
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    There is no way in Hell I would vote for Christie or Romney. That does not mean I will "sit this out." It simply means I wont vote for either of them.

    And, I think either of those two would cause far more damage to the US than Obama in the context of a Republican Congress. You elect one of these communists on the republican ticket and the current storm of public dissent will completely dissolve simply because there is a republican. The president and congress will feel free to completely subjugate us.

    I saw all you traitors turn on us freedom-loving people during Bush W. It was very scary to see my close friends, both dems and repubs, oppressing us. I knew all was lost when almost all of the republicans I knew turned into communists.

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    ^^^TRUTH!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Downr@nge View Post
    Really?????? Did you and your entire family go to a paid private school? No Sir, I went to public school and complete the 9th grade. Since then, I've paid for every stitch of college education I've obtained. The reasons our public schools are failing are HIGH in number. Non standardized curriculum across the nation.Ok, the kids in Wyoming don't need to learn what Jersey City kids are learning so we don't need this social idea of standardized education. The removal of Phonics from curriculum. What the hell is a phonics?The portion of no child left behind that requires teachers to promote failing children, I have felt that teachers promote failing because of ignorant parents.etc. I could go on forever. However, the biggest problem is parents not doing their part at home with their children which is a whole other huge problem in and of itself.
    You mean kids raising kids raising kids and they are dumber and dumber with each generation instead of improving? Holy cow, imagine that. The dumbing down of America, who would have thunk it.

    As far as your suggestion that everyone should pay for private school, do you know how much the average private school costs per month in my county? $700-$800 bucks! When you have an education system that has college grads knowing less than 6th graders did 100 years ago, when there really wasn't public schools as we know them today, I'll galdly take the old system. I know this because I sent BOTH of my children to private school for kindergarten and first grade (my son). It was too expensive for me to continue. Mind you, my wife and I were making pretty decent money. I had to put them in public school. Many parents paid for their kids education in many ways, the sacrificed. But Viet Nam era and younger just don't have that desire and drive to sacrifice for kids they way our parents did and the result is, more public schools with expected less performance. To the history books our once proud Nation continues to go.

    Now what do you think the situation will be for most Americans across the country? Do you really believe they will be able to afford private schooling? No offense (and I mean that sincerely) but the suggestion of everyone having to pay for schooling is downright ridiculous. If I did say let the parents pay for each child, well, thats what I said. You make a car payment, credit card payments every month and for what? That is not investing in the future but your children are the future investment. Buy a smaller house, keep that older car, pay cash etc...if you really want your kids educated, you'll find a way. People always find a way to pay for something they want.

    The US has already slipped to I think 23rd place in the world in education. 23rd? I'm truly surprized we are that high up on the list. Do you really believe privatizing school is going to help when most people wouldn't even be able to afford it? I'm sorry if I gave you the wrong impression about Privatizing schools, I want schools gone. They do not foster anything positive overall. Just glorified baby sitters. You want your child educated, ok, private schools or home schooled. Thats fine with me. Teachers don't teach for free.Not free but at least a 25% pay cut in salary, retirement, medical, and other perks like summer off and sabaticals can be done away with. Principles don't manage for free. Don't need over priced managers for empty buildings Janitors don't clean for free.Nope, and teachers can do that after class too and parents can pitch in rotating on a nightly basis. Book makers don't give books to school districts for free. Don't need books, we got the internet Buses drivers don't drive kids to school for free.Most sorry ass kids could walk to school but anything more than 1/16th of mile is considered hard labor or something...pathetic. Again, what happens when most of America is priced out of k-12 education because its privatized and out of their price range? Those who can will and those who can't wont and our society will be stronger and better for it in time. How cheap do you think they can offer privatized education before it reaches the point that it must be subsidized?No subsidizing, pay it or your kid stay home and learns by candle light. Lemme guess, CHEAPER or NO education? Yeah, that worked out quite well for England. Don't know about England, could care less. I only know what is going on now ain't working and drastic changes are needed and getting rid of public schools as we know them today is, in my opinion, the best solution. There is no promise of an education. There is no nothing promised in life. You want something, earn it!

    Christie is a crooked ruse plain and simple.
    Have a good day,

    CL

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    christie in my opinion is not pro 2A , hes like ex mayor guliani republican , then turned left , ex gov pataki republican ,both never did anything positive for gun owners in the city or sate of NY ,

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