Had a gun pulled on me and my coworkers tonight

[Agent Smith]

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[TheF00L]

OP:

Not sure why you did not have it with you this evening, but this is another example of.......It can happen Anywhere, Anytime, to Anybody.

The Anti's are always saying "it could never happen here....never happen to me.....this is a safe area.......

Maybe some folks can learn from your experience.

Stay Safe.

[ray h]

OP:

Not sure why you did not have it with you this evening, but this is another example of.......It can happen Anywhere, Anytime, to Anybody.

The Anti's are always saying "it could never happen here....never happen to me.....this is a safe area.......

Maybe some folks can learn from your experience.

Stay Safe.

Actually this doesnt seem to be a classic case of "it could never happen here....never happen to me.....this is a safe area.......
I dont see anything safe about breaking up bar fights, or for that matter, just being in the "bar scene". Its a little different than heading to the supermarket to buy milk at 5 PM or mowing the grass on a sunday afternoon.
To be honest, this particular situation could'nt have turned out better than it did and possibly could've turned out much worse by introducing a second firearm.
I dont think Im an "anti", Im just stating what I see in this situation.
This incident could actually be used as "pro anti" evidence, guns and bars and so forth.

[twoguns]

A few things come to mind after reading the OP.

First, I am surprised that your employer would allow you to carry while working as a doorman in a bar. The liability for the owner of the establishment is huge! To my experience, dealing with unruly patrons in bars is not one that requires a firearm as a general rule.

Secondly, what happens in the parking lot is not inside the bar so I am not sure what interest the door security has other than to call the cops to have them handle it.

Third, for you to react to the action of someone drawing a gun on you by running to get you own gun was exceedingly foolish for a number of reasons. To wit; If you were able to retreat then you avoided the possibility of being shot. For you to return armed you could be considered the aggressor and have lost all claim that this was "self defense". When you returned, was your plan to shoot it out with the first guy with the gun? Negotiate the other guy drop his gun by pointing your own gun at him? Tactically approach from cover and assess?

All in all it does not seem to me that you played this very well and should be thankful you are not in jail along with the other idiot.

[red dog]

thankfully everyone is ok. someone higher up was looking out for you all on this night. it never fails just when you are not prepared you need the very thing you do not have. do not get me wrong guys i am all for ltcf rights for everyone that is eligible. but there is allways going to be that 1% that is not smart, even tempered, responsible, trained enough for this responsibility. regretfully you met one on this night. thankfully the 1% are few and far between but these are the ones that give gun owners a bad rep. the powers that be will continue to use these examples to demonize our rights and hobby in general. happy shooting, be safe, cya, red dog

[GrumpyBear]

A few things come to mind after reading the OP.

First, I am surprised that your employer would allow you to carry while working as a doorman in a bar. The liability for the owner of the establishment is huge! To my experience, dealing with unruly patrons in bars is not one that requires a firearm as a general rule.

Secondly, what happens in the parking lot is not inside the bar so I am not sure what interest the door security has other than to call the cops to have them handle it.

Third, for you to react to the action of someone drawing a gun on you by running to get you own gun was exceedingly foolish for a number of reasons. To wit; If you were able to retreat then you avoided the possibility of being shot. For you to return armed you could be considered the aggressor and have lost all claim that this was "self defense". When you returned, was your plan to shoot it out with the first guy with the gun? Negotiate the other guy drop his gun by pointing your own gun at him? Tactically approach from cover and assess?

All in all it does not see to me that you played this very well and should be thankful you are not in jail along with the other idiot.

Glad it worked out the way it did!

[TheF00L]

Actually this doesnt seem to be a classic case of "it could never happen here....never happen to me.....this is a safe area.......
I dont see anything safe about breaking up bar fights, or for that matter, just being in the "bar scene". Its a little different than heading to the supermarket to buy milk at 5 PM or mowing the grass on a sunday afternoon.
To be honest, this particular situation could'nt have turned out better than it did and possibly could've turned out much worse by introducing a second firearm.
I dont think Im an "anti", Im just stating what I see in this situation.
This incident could actually be used as "pro anti" evidence, guns and bars and so forth.

Do not know you so no assumptions on my part as to you personally being anti. My guess is that you are not.

I agree that the situation turned out well in reference to no one being hurt.

BUT...
As per the OP:

he produces a firearm from his waistband while looking directly at me and chambers a round

Right here is the crux of the matter. I am not sure why the OP was not armed "this time" but whatever the reason - It is an example of not having it when you need it! Possibly he did not think that he would need it this night. He infers that it is OK to carry in that situation but we will have to wait for his reply.

More power to those who "disarmed" the BG but I never would have tried it.

1-a gun was drawn when the BG hears that the employees have a LTCF
2-a concious effort was made to chamber a round
3-My LIFE and that of those with me is in jeapordy

To be honest, this particular situation could'nt have turned out better than it did and possibly could've turned out much worse by introducing a second firearm.

You stated that the situation could not have turned out better. Again, as I stated before, I agree BUT: Would you trust your life on the fact that someone who pulled a gun and chambered a round was not going to kill you? Would you really be willing to bet your life on it?

I for one really would have prefered to have that 2nd firearm there in this situation. I would not trust my life to the fact that a BG who just looked me in the eyes and chambered a round was not going to kill me.

I guess I am not an Anti either

[CHEMICAL]

Always carry......all the time. Prime example. Also, as stated, what happens outside the bar stays outside the bar. Call the cops next time, get license plate numbers, let them beat the shit out of each other...not your problem.

[angus]

A few things come to mind after reading the OP.

First, I am surprised that your employer would allow you to carry while working as a doorman in a bar. The liability for the owner of the establishment is huge! To my experience, dealing with unruly patrons in bars is not one that requires a firearm as a general rule.

Maybe he's Act 235 certified? But if that were the case, would he be required to carry at all times? I don't know how that works.

Secondly, what happens in the parking lot is not inside the bar so I am not sure what interest the door security has other than to call the cops to have them handle it.

It was still the property of the bar, I am guessing. It's not like they were doing this out in the street. Maybe they were just escorting the guy completely off the property. I see your point, though.

Third, for you to react to the action of someone drawing a gun on you by running to get you own gun was exceedingly foolish for a number of reasons. To wit; If you were able to retreat then you avoided the possibility of being shot. For you to return armed you could be considered the aggressor and have lost all claim that this was "self defense"...

You can legally defend the lives of others as well. If the bad guy started plugging people, Agent Smith would be in his rights to legally stop the threat. (I'm not a lawyer).

All in all it does not seem to me that you played this very well and should be thankful you are not in jail along with the other idiot.

None of us were there. I'm just glad that no one got hurt.

My responses in bold.

[Dave49]

A dfferent point of view

If I understand the scenario, a fight has broken out. One of the combatants is carrying. The gun has not entered into the initial fight. Subsequently a bouncer, his partner, and the owner of the bar attempt to intervene.

The problem child who is currently involved in fisticuffs - what is his size?
The bouncer, his partner, and the owner, (all approaching the problem child) - their size?

Does disparity of force come to anybody's mind?

Those that are suggesting the OP should have been armed, he would have to be one hell of a marksman to successfully draw and fire upon a gun that is already drawn, chambered and pointing at him.

I recognize that the natural instinct especially for the bouncer, his partner, and the owner would be to break up a fight occurring on their parking lot - but perhaps wiser heads should prevail? I agree with the idea - stay inside and call the police. Unless any of them contributed to the fight I don't see where it is their responsibility to intervene - other than to call the police.

(Call me crazy - but don't call me anti)