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August 3rd, 2011, 04:02 PM #1
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ATF Ruling 2011-4: Pistol to Rifle and back to Pistol
ATF alerted us during the NFATCA Importer, Exporter and Manufacturer Conference about this ruling and just posted it. Basically, it is legal to convert a pistol to a Title I rifle and back to a pistol, without it coming under the guise of the NFA; however, a rifle cannot be turned into a pistol.
For more info, see here: http://blog.princelaw.com/2011/8/2/b...ck-to-a-pistolJoshua Prince, Esq. - Firearms Industry Consulting Group - www.PaFirearmsLawyer.com
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August 3rd, 2011, 04:41 PM #2
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Re: ATF Ruling 2011-4: Pistol to Rifle and back to Pistol
This is good news, and how things should be.
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August 3rd, 2011, 05:15 PM #3
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Re: ATF Ruling 2011-4: Pistol to Rifle and back to Pistol
so..... i can say take a glock and put a stock on it or would it be considered an sbr???
Sorry my brain is stupid atm...
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August 3rd, 2011, 05:17 PM #4
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Re: ATF Ruling 2011-4: Pistol to Rifle and back to Pistol
Are you putting a 16" or longer barrel on there as well? if not, it would be an NFA item.
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so..... i can say take a glock and put a stock on it or would it be considered an sbr???
Sorry my brain is stupid atm...
That just makes no sense. What a crock.However, if the firearm starts life as a rifle, the Ruling further holds, that it cannot be converted to a pistol without registering it as a Short-Barreled Rifle under the NFA.Last edited by Azzy; August 3rd, 2011 at 05:19 PM.
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August 3rd, 2011, 05:24 PM #5
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Re: ATF Ruling 2011-4: Pistol to Rifle and back to Pistol
Originally Posted by Azzy
hah ok thats what I figured.
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August 3rd, 2011, 05:31 PM #6
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Re: ATF Ruling 2011-4: Pistol to Rifle and back to Pistol
well that settles that question which has been endlessly discussed here.
probably atf got tired of explaining why you couldnt do that.
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Re: ATF Ruling 2011-4: Pistol to Rifle and back to Pistol
Originally Posted by Azzy
It probably ultimately goes the fact that it might be tax evasion. Handgun production is taxed different than long gun. If you already have paid the higher handgun tax, then making it a long gun or changing it back from a long gun causes no tax difference.RIP: SFN, 1861, twoeggsup, Lambo, jamesjo, JayBell, 32 Magnum, Pro2A, mrwildroot, dregan, Frenchy, Fragger, ungawa, Mtn Jack, Grapeshot, R.W.J., PennsyPlinker, Statkowski, Deanimator, roland, aubie515
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Re: ATF Ruling 2011-4: Pistol to Rifle and back to Pistol
This is HUGE! Great news, especially for AR fans. The full ATF ruling is here: http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulin...ing-2011-4.pdf
So long as I built my AR into a pistol first, I can, for the rest of the life of the lower, make it into pistol or rifle. I will build all of my ARs into pistols first. The burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove that the gun was originally a rifle. However, it would be good if you have some sort of proofs that it was a pistol first.
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August 4th, 2011, 12:24 PM #9
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Re: ATF Ruling 2011-4: Pistol to Rifle and back to Pistol
Even more so for T/C Contender and Encore fans They have long been very easy to convert back and forth. Originally Posted by mythaeus
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August 4th, 2011, 12:34 PM #10
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Re: ATF Ruling 2011-4: Pistol to Rifle and back to Pistol
It shows how SBR's need to be taken off the NFA list altogether. The rule is pointless other than to harass gun owners.
Oh wait...that's one of their favorite things to do.
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