Tucson, Arizona - Shooter/Jared Loughner: Will not stand Trial

[chazman21]

I'm wondering who should have "brought him in", and to where. If your inferring that law enforcement authorities should begin determining who is mentally stable and who is not then I have to strongly disagree with you. As much as I understand that there are people out there who are nuts, until they demonstrate they are a danger it isn't up to LE to do anything. If we as a society begin such procedures it will become a simple process to disarm anyone we want. For instance, I say your nuts and report you as such. The police don't like you either so.....your nuts and your right is taken from you.

The only people I can see having any responsibility to have acted are his family. Surely they had to know his sanity was lopsided. His college had no authority to ascertain his mental state, they only had the ability to bar him due to behavioral problems. Yes, under this method we as a society are open to the dangers of the mentally unstable. That is the price of freedom. To do otherwise is at the cost of losing freedom. So which do you want, freedom or security?

Well, I agree 100% with your post.
LEO's, Do not have the right to determine who is nuts and not.

From my understanding and Maybe I got the information wrong from reports & I'll stand corrected.

But, Days after the incident and for a few weeks. It was brought up & talk about. How Arizona has made LAWS making it an easier processes/procedures for Police to bring in someone not showing a 100% Mental ability to/for an evaluation by Medical staff &/or at a Mental Health Facility specially when their are no other signs of influences to preclude their behavior like drugs, & Alcohol...etc. "Thats for other specialist."

Now, I do not know of this such law. I never got a chance to look it up.
If it were, I'm sure & Hope to God that their would have to be some very big checks an Balances to insure from miss use.

Thats about the time when the reported came out about a Family member working for the County and how he had more then just a few run In's with the Law. He was even brought home to his Family house once or twice by the county's Leo's.
They said it would come out later in court most likely.

I never heard anything else because the story died down and new story's filled the Air-Waves


Now as for the most part of the country as I understand it as well.

Yes, LEO's can not do anything until he/she is a danger to them self's &/or others.
And only after when. Then they can be brought in to (a) Mental Health Facility for evaluation or Mental Health professionals by LE.

The only thing they can do is to tell him/her to push-off and go home.


I just want the Facts as much as you.
It is just not shaping up right. It looks like its going to be a new style of Nutty Circus.


Lets see,
He was a Right wing Nut that Targeted a Dem. Congresswomen at first,
"Wrong He was just a nut!"
Remember the County Sheriff running his Mouth in more then one news conference.

He Killed (?6?) one was a child and injured (12) one being a Congresswomen "Thank God their were not more".
But the press only talks about the Congresswomen,
& That we need new guns laws like a Hi-Cap Magazine Ban.

Now He will not stand trial, He's just TOTAL NUTS and can not understand the trial. "I get that"
The day the court shows statements and documentation he nuts, He Acts nuts in the court room and has to be removed.

Maybe in the future after Lots of drugs, He can understand the trial as reported.
Then, You have to ask yourself,
Could he ever stand trial, He nuts? Right? He didn't know what he was doing!

[Python73]

Two to the chest. If I was that little girl's dad this assclown wouldn't be breathing.

There is a fine line between people just walking around doling out whatever justice they see fit, and taking care of a problem that the system can't handle. This guy is guilty. Hundreds of people saw him. It wasn't self defense, there's nothing he can say that justifies his actions. No amount of mental hospitals or jail cells will fix this guy, he is broken. And he crossed a line.

[The_War_Wagon]

I voted all the above.

Frankly, this is a waste of time and money. We know he did it, he was caught & stopped in the act. He should have had a bullet in the skull moments afterwards, no point keeping a rabid dog locked in a cage--costs too much to feed 'em.

camper

There IS a lot to be said for that method. Where's Wyatt Earp when you NEED him?

[BDK]

What Camper said.


There is no doubt he did it. There is not 2nd gunman in this grassy knoll. He did it, should have been executed for it already. The longer this is delayed, that he lives the less impact any punishment would have on the next one sitting in his underwear in a basement going Hmmm maybe I should try this...


Like the song said, hang 'em by a rope from a tall oak tree.

[wa3ra]

Why is this happening in FEDERAL court? Murder is tied to state laws, not the feds...

[Curmudgeon]

Why is this happening in FEDERAL court? Murder is tied to state laws, not the feds...

Because he is charged with the murder of a federal judge? And a U.S. Congresswoman?

[rayh059]

I'd like to have the pole option of "more facts needed".

For someone to do what he did, he's got to be a few fries short of a Happy meal. Normal people don't do that. We don't know enough about the guy to say its a permanent state or a cyclical thing, but remember there are insane people walking around us all the time.

Its an understatement to say that the psychological sciences are not a perfect science! Its going to take a bit of observation to figure out what his status is. Being locked up for life should be a no brainer. The difference being if its in a hospital or in a prison. I couldn't trust him to be in public ever again.

[chazman21]

Because he is charged with the murder of a federal judge? And a U.S. Congresswoman?

Good Call!
You know I completely forgot about the Federal Judge, John M. Roll.

But, The Congresswomen is about all you hear about day in and Day out from our GRN. "Government Run Media"
Unless your listening to Talk radio. When ever a listen calls-in they start off by talking about the lost of (6) people. Most of the Radio host's also remind us as well.

[chazman21]

I'd like to have the pole option of "more facts needed".

For someone to do what he did, he's got to be a few fries short of a Happy meal. Normal people don't do that. We don't know enough about the guy to say its a permanent state or a cyclical thing, but remember there are insane people walking around us all the time.

Its an understatement to say that the psychological sciences are not a perfect science! Its going to take a bit of observation to figure out what his status is. Being locked up for life should be a no brainer. The difference being if its in a hospital or in a prison. I couldn't trust him to be in public ever again.

Well, I guess I could reset the Poll and add such a question.
As for more information for just the Public to chew on. Their is allot out their.
More Information & Facts would have come out in a trail, Were not going to get that "?For?" now.

As for the Polled question: What do you think about Jared Loughner? was aimed at the current news, He will not stand trial.

In second thought, The question is maybe a little unfair, loaded, &/or should have been more direct.

I would explain the Insane & Sane question better.

I think the Act of doing what he did was totally Insane, and that he was Sane for Planning, & Acting out such an act.

As for sane in what he did, Would be insulting to many Americans.

I'm wondering if I should have used Criminally insane & Criminally sane.

Well, I think the poll does speak well right now.
Allot of you agree that he is playing the Court.