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April 20th, 2011, 08:33 PM #11
Re: List of States that ban Hollow Point Ammo
The ambiguity of Firearms laws in New Jersey...now there's a book title!
My bottom line with New Jersey is that vague and ambiguous laws usually mean if there is a problem, it is up to the interpretation of the police officer on the scene, which will trump you every time. I find this quite scary, in that law enforcement is no stranger to the concept of throwing as many charges against you and seeing which ones stick. I recently posted an article of a man who was arrested for unlawful posession of a firearm, posession of hollowpoint ammunition, driving a boat without proper registration, and having an open container of alcohol in public.
As I understand things, if you are driving directly to your home after a JHP purchase or driving directly to a range or hunting area in New Jersey, hollowpoint ammunition is legal. I am not sure of the hunting area has to be property you own. They appear to treat hollowpoint ammunition the same way they treat firearms regarding transportation issues. Everything else is basically off limits." Keep in mind that my concern with the "driving directly" phrase is that a police officer has to accept that and believe you. I know this makes me sound really paranoid, but these laws are up to interpretation of police at the scene. If you are driving/shopping/etc through New Jersey with hollowpoint ammunition in you car, you can be charged, and if convicted it's a felony with a seven month sentence. Will the charge stick in court? It's hard to say, but taking the chance can be a real expensive legal headache.
For me, it would be a felony to buy hollowpoint ammunition on my way to work, as I live in Pennsylvania and work in New Jersey. Apparently making a "Stop," like working an 8 hour shift would make my situation "unlawful."
New Jersey also has a limit for magazine capacity to 15 rounds. A high capacity maazine charge will also get you a seven month sentence and another felony.
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April 21st, 2011, 02:04 AM #12Active Member
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Re: List of States that ban Hollow Point Ammo
I've heard several people say that PA, DE, and NY should cut the bridges and let NJ sink into the sea. Given their gun laws and that show with all of the fake-tan kids, I'm beginning to agree.
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April 21st, 2011, 07:20 AM #13
Re: List of States that ban Hollow Point Ammo
They aren't bridges,,,,,,, their mooring lines.
George,
So many guns, so little money.
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April 21st, 2011, 07:33 AM #14
Re: List of States that ban Hollow Point Ammo
Blessed are they who, faced with danger, think only of the front sight. -- Jeff Cooper
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April 21st, 2011, 03:49 PM #15
Re: List of States that ban Hollow Point Ammo
That's why New Jersey's laws creep me out. They are restrictive, but they are open to interpretation by law enforcement in such a big way. Even the "exceptions" as they are often termed, are up to interpretation. It's another example of telling you what you can't do, instead of what you can do. They are not the only state with this law style, but it just seems to be one of the worst. I admit to personalizing things a bit on this issue, given that I work there.
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April 21st, 2011, 03:52 PM #16
Re: List of States that ban Hollow Point Ammo
Home possession does not require a 'sportsman' purpose.
The prohibition:
2C:39-3. Prohibited weapons and devices
f. Dum-dum or body armor penetrating bullets.(1) Any person, other than a law enforcement officer or persons engaged in activities pursuant to subsection f. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, who knowingly has in his possession any hollow nose or dum-dum bullet, ...
g. Exceptions.
(2) a. Nothing in subsection f. (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land,...IANAL
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April 21st, 2011, 10:27 PM #17
Re: List of States that ban Hollow Point Ammo
Are Hornady Critical defense rounds (the kind with the rubber tip to help expansion) considered hollow points? Just asking - I have no plans/reason to visit New Jersey EVER.
Cb
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April 21st, 2011, 10:46 PM #18
Re: List of States that ban Hollow Point Ammo
I would say no to the Hornady, but this is New Jersey we are talking about. Federal makes and expanding FMJ ammunition, where the metal jacket kind of folds back as it expands, apparently on parts of the bullet where the metal is cut in some manner. It's not a jagged as your average JHP, still makes a wide hole. It looks like a 9mm box of 50 goes for about $22.
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April 21st, 2011, 10:47 PM #19
Re: List of States that ban Hollow Point Ammo
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April 21st, 2011, 11:29 PM #20Active Member
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Re: List of States that ban Hollow Point Ammo
Not necessarily (though I agree with the conclusion - I wouldn't want to be the test case). If NJ has a statutory definition of "dum-dum" or "hollow nose" I haven't come across it, which means that it's up to the court to determine what those terms mean (if it hasn't already been decided by case law).
I read an article in a gun rag a year or two ago written by a former NJ State Trooper. I can't recall which magazine or what the substance of the article was, but what stuck in my head was that he mentioned carrying Cor-Bon Pow'r Ball in his 9mm, since it wasn't "hollow nose" (he had an NJ carry permit; my understanding is that the few that are issued are only issued to former LEOs). I know I've seen similar references to such ammo not being "hollow nose" under NJ law elsewhere. Personally, I think an NJ court is apt to look right past any plastic or rubber plug in the nose of a bullet and find it to be a "hollow nose," meaning you're SOL.
The only ammo I think might get past this is Federal's EFMJ, which came out not long after NJ's hollow point law was passed (though it might still be "dum-dum"). Of course, the statute itself is "dum-dum," but I digress ...
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