Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association
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April 2nd, 2011, 07:18 PM
#21
Re: Open Carry at the National Rifle Association (NRA) Annual Meeting in Pittsburgh
Originally Posted by
cock&lock
I'm sorry but this answer does not suffice. A renter derives all his rights concerning the property from the landlord through a contract (lease). The landlord cannot transfer powers he himself does not have.
In this situation we have a public entity which is purported to transfer a power to prohibit firearms when the public entity itself is expressly prohibited by law from this conduct. So where does this power come from?
Been discussed before:
http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-car...bank-park.html
IANAL
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April 4th, 2011, 06:40 PM
#22
Re: Open Carry at the National Rifle Association (NRA) Annual Meeting in Pittsburgh
Originally Posted by
MDJschool
Well aren't you just so fucking clever, talking about 'fulfilling legal requirements' and 'state law'. Those are virtues, right? fulfilling legal requirements and upholding state law? Legal requirements like those holding the declaration of rights inviolate and excepting the article from the general powers of government... State law like "The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned." Laws and legal requirements are only for the little people, right? There are no constraints on government. I understand.
What's cute is the fear of liberty that makes subservience to tyrants. How adorable. Some go to very great lengths at no small personal sacrifice to try to normalize the constitutions, and I worry that you suggest that such a goal is at odds with normalizing subservience.
When you talked about 'walking distance' and OC, did you plot a map to see if anyone could actually OC to the convention without running into an invisible bar of Gun Free School Zones? Did you factor in motorcycles, bicycles, horses, rollerblades and skateboards as methods of transportation that increase mobility without offending 6106 (or would you take the opposite, deferent-to-government position that simply assumes one cannot do something, most likely lacking the authorities to sustain the position?) Did you consider loans to LTCF holders over the course of vehicular transportation (or would you take another contrary position that "no one in government would accept someone can do this under 6115?)
I guess if you're going to take on a belief that everything someone is thinking about doing is probably wrong, why bother to normalize open carry? Who cares if we lose any of that momentum? Half of unlicensed OC is already illegal - vehicles, emergencies, school zones, loans... OC is probably wrong, and the government is busy making sure we'll know it.
Goodbye, self-governance.
This is my new favorite post here. Thank you
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April 5th, 2011, 10:40 PM
#23
Re: Open Carry at the National Rifle Association (NRA) Annual Meeting in Pittsburgh
Might get to coordinate going to the convention with a upcoming work trip. Hoping it works out, not sure if I can bring a firearm though.
Alex
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April 6th, 2011, 12:48 AM
#24
Re: Open Carry at the National Rifle Association (NRA) Annual Meeting in Pittsburgh
Why the fuck should we be writing the NRA to let us carry? We hire the NRA to convince the people that WE elect/hire to set our right as it is.
Hey, why not throw one more group in the mix. Lets write the PAFOA to allow us to put this on here, so that we can rally a group to write the NRA to write the congressman...blah blah blah that lived in the house that jack built.
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