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    Default A bill from a real DEFENDER OF THE CONSTITUTION - HB 1187

    Yes friends that freedom loving defender of our Constitution Angel Cruz has offered an updated version of a previously failled bill.

    Text not available at this time, but watch for it at:
    http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/...type=B&bn=1187

    Regular Session 2011-2012
    House Bill 1187

    Short Title: An Act amending Title 18 (Crimes and Offenses) of the Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes, in firearms and other dangerous articles, providing for the offense of carrying a firearm in the Capitol.
    Prime Sponsor: Representative CRUZ


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    Default Re: A bill from a real DEFENDER OF THE CONSTITUTION - HB 1187

    I'm confused; The Capitol as in the Building or the Capitol as in Harrisburg? Carry in the Capitol building is already restricted as it has a court facility and banning carry in Harrisburg...Really?

    Either way, I think I have missed something.

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    Default Re: A bill from a real DEFENDER OF THE CONSTITUTION - HB 1187

    Quote Originally Posted by MrUgly View Post
    I'm confused; The Capitol as in the Building or the Capitol as in Harrisburg? Carry in the Capitol building is already restricted as it has a court facility and banning carry in Harrisburg...Really?

    Either way, I think I have missed something.
    His previous bill defined the Capitol Buildings by name.

    http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/...r=1701&pn=2251
    The 2A does not GIVE us the right. It tells the gov they can not INFRINGE our right.

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    Default Re: A bill from a real DEFENDER OF THE CONSTITUTION - HB 1187

    This is from the original bill:
    1 (b) Grading.--A person who violates this section commits a
    2 summary offense.
    Would this mean that since no criminal intent, or whatever was said about the Lehigh County Sheriff overcharging, that there would be no ill consequences?
    ““Liberty is the right to choose. Freedom is the result of the right choice.””

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    Default Re: A bill from a real DEFENDER OF THE CONSTITUTION - HB 1187

    Text of the bill is up.
    See first post for link.

    In a way this has good parts to it.
    The Capitol will have to provide storage at each building listed in the bill instead of having a single storage area.
    The 2A does not GIVE us the right. It tells the gov they can not INFRINGE our right.

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    Default Re: A bill from a real DEFENDER OF THE CONSTITUTION - HB 1187

    This must be the same Angel Cruz who wants to stay in office to lock in his pension and medical benefits. Oh, and he forgot to read the constitution of the Commonwealth...

    http://www.phillyfuture.org/node/1719

    The same guy who introduces gun control legislation, yet carries a gun to protect himself?

    Cruz is a tool, and a hypocrite.
    Join the groups protecting your rights from the fools trying to take them from you!

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    Default Re: A bill from a real DEFENDER OF THE CONSTITUTION - HB 1187

    Here's the salieint parts of the bill. Note: He's upgraded the penalty from summary to misdemeanor.

    Section 1. Title 18 of the Pennsylvania Consolidated
    8 Statutes is amended by adding a section to read:
    9 § 6108.1. Carrying firearms in the Capitol.
    10 (a) Offense defined.--No person shall carry a firearm, rifle
    11 or shotgun at any time in any of the following buildings in the
    12 City of Harrisburg:
    13 (1) the Main Capitol;
    14 (2) the East Wing of the Capitol;
    15 (3) the Speaker Matthew J. Ryan Legislative Office
    16 Building;
    17 (4) the Speaker K. Leroy Irvis Office Building; or
    18 (5) the North Office Building of the Capitol Complex.
    19 (b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not
    1 apply to a person who is:
    2 (1) a member of the Pennsylvania State Police;
    3 (2) a member of the Capitol Police;
    4 (3) a member of Legislative Protective Services with the
    5 Senate or the House of Representatives;
    6 (4) a law enforcement officer as defined in 18 Pa.C.S. §
    7 6102 (relating to definitions); or
    8 (5) an armed security agent under contract to service an
    9 automated teller machine in any of the buildings specified in
    10 subsection (a) or to transport money to and from the
    11 cafeteria of the East Wing of the Capitol, while performing
    12 the person's official duties.
    13 (c) Posting of notice.--Notice of the provisions of
    14 subsections (a) and (d) shall be posted conspicuously at each
    15 public entrance to each building specified in subsection (a),
    16 and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection
    17 (a) if the notice was not so posted at each public entrance to
    18 the building unless the person had actual notice of the
    19 provisions of subsection (a).
    20 (d) Lockers and facilities for checking firearms, rifles and
    21 shotguns.--The Commonwealth shall make available at or within
    22 each building specified in subsection (a) within one year of the
    23 effective date of this section, lockers or similar facilities at
    24 no charge or cost for the temporary checking of firearms, rifles
    25 and shotguns by persons lawfully carrying firearms, rifles and
    26 shotguns. Any individual checking a firearm, rifle or shotgun at
    27 a building specified in subsection (a) shall be issued a
    28 receipt. Notice of the location of the lockers or similar
    29 facility shall be posted as required under subsection (c).
    30 (e) Grading.--A person who violates this section commits a
    1 misdemeanor of the first degree.
    2 Section 2. This act shall take effect in 60 days.
    The link provided in post #1 is still good.


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    Default Re: A bill from a real DEFENDER OF THE CONSTITUTION - HB 1187

    A quick Google search shows that Angel Cruz is a Democrat from Philadelphia. Right there are two reasons he is irrelevant. Are there really enough legislators that are willing to lose their jobs, that they would follow this guy?
    " The Seeds of Oppression Will One Day Bear The Fruit of Rebellion."

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    Default Re: A bill from a real DEFENDER OF THE CONSTITUTION - HB 1187

    Quote Originally Posted by tes151 View Post
    A quick Google search shows that Angel Cruz is a Democrat from Philadelphia. Right there are two reasons he is irrelevant. Are there really enough legislators that are willing to lose their jobs, that they would follow this guy?
    Sure there are, because they know the skels in their districts won't vote against them. Don't forget a couple or three years ago the Philly Dems put up anti-gun amendments to every bill that came to the floor and forced what they called a "Committee of the Whole" in which their bullshit was defeated. But, they kept trying and they still haven't stopped.


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    Default Re: A bill from a real DEFENDER OF THE CONSTITUTION - HB 1187

    Quote Originally Posted by kadar View Post

    In a way this has good parts to it.
    The Capitol will have to provide storage at each building listed in the bill instead of having a single storage area.
    Uh...any building defined as a 'court facility' is already required to provide storage "at or within" the facility. Increased storage locations are not a good thing when it means an increase in prohibited places.
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