Utah CCw change

[pacpiper]

So I recently took a Utah CCW course but haven't got off my ass to go get fingerprinted but just saw the Utah senate voted to change the permit process by requiring a permit in your home state first, etc...

it still needs to go to the house and then whatever comes next in the legal/law process so if I get off my butt and send it today, do you think I'll "get it in" before it's official.

Question is...I assume that it would be a bit before Utah got the changes in full force but what do you guys think. Is it worth sending in now right in the middle of a potential change? (and Yes, I do have a PA LTCF)

[mrjam2jab]

It LOOKS like it wont go into effect until Jan 2012...

UT SB36

[Curmudgeon]

I haven't read anything new on this for several days, so I may be a little behind the curve, but...

I thought the new Utah bill was supposed to prevent people from getting a Utah permit unless they had a permit/license from their own state.

So you wouldn't effect you anyway, right?

ETA: Looks like this is still the case. This was copy/pasted from the bill linked in mrjam2jab's post...

11 Highlighted Provisions:
12 This bill:
13 < requires a nonresident applicant for a concealed firearm permit to hold a current
14 concealed firearm or concealed weapon permit from the applicant's state of
15 residency that recognizes the validity of the Utah permit in that state or has
16 reciprocity with the Utah concealed firearm permit law; and
17 < requires a nonresident applicant to pay an additional $5 processing fee for the
18 issuance of the permit.

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[HiredGoon]

Since you do have your PA LTCF, I'd just enclose a copy of that with your app and then you'll be covered if it goes into effect sooner.

[gbrown221]

So I recently took a Utah CCW course but haven't got off my ass to go get fingerprinted but just saw the Utah senate voted to change the permit process by requiring a permit in your home state first, etc...

it still needs to go to the house and then whatever comes next in the legal/law process so if I get off my butt and send it today, do you think I'll "get it in" before it's official.

Question is...I assume that it would be a bit before Utah got the changes in full force but what do you guys think. Is it worth sending in now right in the middle of a potential change? (and Yes, I do have a PA LTCF)

We can fingerpint you if needed for your Utah CFP Permit.

We included fingerprints in our Utah CFP courses.

Regards,

gbrown221
Utah CFP Instructor
(215) 310-5436 office
info@team-life.org
www.team-life.org

[JR956678]

I thought the new Utah bill was supposed to prevent people from getting a Utah permit unless they had a permit/license from their own state.

First I saw this change - it's significant and has a lot of repercussions.

It closes the "Florida loophole" that Philadelphia has been screaming about - but it also means that residents of NJ, MD, and other states that don't issue carry permits (unless you've got friends in high places) can't get a Utah permit because they won't have one from their home state.

This is making the Florida and AZ permits look better and better. In my case it doesn't matter as I have my LTCF - but I can see it affecting a lot of others if this passes.

[gnbrotz]

It closes the "Florida loophole" that Philadelphia has been screaming about

No it doesn't.

It closes the "Utah loophole".

[PSUfan14]

First I saw this change - it's significant and has a lot of repercussions.

It closes the "Florida loophole" that Philadelphia has been screaming about - but it also means that residents of NJ, MD, and other states that don't issue carry permits (unless you've got friends in high places) can't get a Utah permit because they won't have one from their home state.

This is making the Florida and AZ permits look better and better. In my case it doesn't matter as I have my LTCF - but I can see it affecting a lot of others if this passes.

I'm still not 100% on how this law will work but the way I read it, it shouldn't affect people from states such as NJ and MD because those states do not recognize a Utah permit anyways. It looks like it's only designed to impact residents of those states which recognize the UT permit or have reciprocity with them. I would think that residents of states which don't recognize a Utah permit could still get one, though obviously it would not be valid within their home state.

[mrjam2jab]

I'm still not 100% on how this law will work but the way I read it, it shouldn't affect people from states such as NJ and MD because those states do not recognize a Utah permit anyways. It looks like it's only designed to impact residents of those states which recognize the UT permit or have reciprocity with them. I would think that residents of states which don't recognize a Utah permit could still get one, though obviously it would not be valid within their home state.

Exactly right.

37 (ii) In addition to meeting the other qualifications for the issuance of a concealed
38 firearm permit under this section, a nonresident applicant shall:
39 (A) hold a current concealed firearm or concealed weapon permit issued by the
40 appropriate permitting authority of the nonresident applicant's state of residency that recognizes
41 the validity of the Utah permit in that state or has reciprocity with Utah's concealed firearm
42 permit law; and

[Gurugold]

Well, that really sucks, as I currently hold a Utah permit, but live in New Jersey. It does not appear that the new requirements will invalidate a current permit, but the same requirements will apply when it is up for renewal. Maybe NJ will be "shall issue" by then