Updated Directive 137 - one page, take this with you to Philly

[acosenza2]

I love the thinking in Philthadelphia; the PD illegally stops and detains OC'ers and sometimes steals their property. Not only are their actions illegal based on the PA Constitution but it is also backed up by Ortiz and Hawkins that carrying a firearm in a holster is not RAS or probable cause. Despite all of this, the Philthadelphia PD believes that a directive is the legal response to their ass backwards problems.

I will never understand them, but I will do my best to stay the hell out of that city and help the fight to get 6108 repealed.

[Gun]

4. AN OFFICER ENCOUNTERING A PERSON CARRYING A FIREARM
OPENLY IN PHILADELPHIA SHOULD FOR THE SAFTEY OF PUBLIC
INVESTIGATE AS A POSSIBLE VUFA VIOLATION.

This is simply not enough as far as Public Safety is concerned!

Item 4 should read:

For the interest of Public Safety, everyone, whether walking, or in a vehicle (of any description) should be stopped and checked in the city of the first class for possible VUFA violations.





And then the PPD should apply this same type of directive toward motor vehicle operators, when concerning licenses!

[1blindref]

[QUOTE=OldrNDyrt;1432987]

Fortunately, living in west north-central PA I can usually avoid going anywhere near Philthadelphia for great lengths of time, averaging once every 15 years. But when I do, it's CC. As a small businessman, my time is money and I won't waste either trying to make a point with the PPD w.r.t. OC.

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I'll make a deal with you, Noah. You don't call the place my family lives, Philthadelphia, and I won't call where you live Upstate Klansylvania.

I'll make a deal with you.. you dont troll here, and i wont infract and issue you a timeout.. mmmmkay?

How is one post a trolling post, and not the other??

Seems like both posts are the same: Philthadelphia vs Klansylvania.

I think both are pretty comical

[cbdresources]

How do I access the attached file for this post? I'm doing some research regarding a video posted on youtube of a guy having his rights violated because he was in North Philly. https://youtu.be/rL5nKAT3_GA

[Ilikebuckets]

How do I access the attached file for this post? I'm doing some research regarding a video posted on youtube of a guy having his rights violated because he was in North Philly. https://youtu.be/rL5nKAT3_GA

I just downloaded it. Here is the text.

GENERAL: 1272 09/22/10 12:53:20

TO : ALL COMMANDING OFFICERS / DEPARTMENT HEADS
SUBJECT : FIREARM OPEN CARRY LAW IN PHILADELPHIA

1. DIRECTIVE 137, ENTITLED *FIREARMS* IS BEING UPDATED CONCERNING THE PENNSYLVANIA OPEN CARRY LAWS REGARDING THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA. THIS TELETYPE REFLECTS THE NEW POLICY AS IT WILL APPEAR IN THE DIRECTIVE.

2. ALL OFFICERS SHOULD BE AWARE THAT PENNSYLVANIA IS CONSIDERED AN *OPEN CARRY STATE* WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PHILADELPHIA. IT IS IMPORTANT TO DEFINE A FEW TERMS USED, WHICH ARE AS FOLLOWS:

*OPEN CARRY* REFERS TO THE ACT OF OPENLY AND VISIBLY CARRYING A FIREARM ON ONE*S PERSON.

*OPEN CARRY STATE* REFERS TO A STATE THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO OPENLY AND VISIBLY CARRY A FIREARM ON ONE*S PERSON WITHOUT A SPECIAL LICENSE OR PERMIT.

*CONCEALED CARRY FIREARMS LICENSE* REFERS TO A SPECIFIC LICENSE ISSUED TO AN INDIVIDUAL AUTHORIZING THE PERSON TO CARRY A FIREARM CONCEALED ON HIS OR HER PERSON OR VEHICLE.

3. IN PHILADELPHIA, UNLIKE ANY OTHER PART OF THE STATE, FOR ANY PERSON TO LAWFULLY, OPENLY AND VISIBLY CARRY A FIREARM, THAT PERSON MUST HAVE A CONCEALED CARRY FIREARMS LICENSE. SO, IN PHILADELPHIA, IF A PERSON HAS A VALID CONCEALED CARRY FIREARMS LICENSE, HE OR SHE CAN LEGALLY CARRY A FIREARM EITHER OPEN AND VISIBLE OR CONCEALED.

4. AN OFFICER ENCOUNTERING A PERSON CARRYING A FIREARM OPENLY IN PHILADELPHIA SHOULD FOR THE SAFTEY OF PUBLIC INVESTIGATE AS A POSSIBLE VUFA VIOLATION.

A. SINCE A SEPARATE LICENSE IS REQUIRED IN PHILADELPHIA AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY OFFICER TO KNOW WHO DOES AND DOES NOT HAVE A VALID CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE, IT IS ENTIRELY REASONALBE FOR OFFICERS TO TEMPORARILY DETAIN AND INVESTIGATE ANY INDIVIDUAL CARRYING A FIREARM EXPOSED TO DETERMINE IF THE PERSON IS OPERATING WITH THE LAW.

B. IMMEDIATLEY SEIZE ANY FIREARMS FOR OFFICER SAFETY DURING THE STOP AND UNLOAD THE FIREARMS IF POSSIBLE, BUT ONLY IF IT CAN BE DONE SAFELY.

C. A 75-48A MUST BE COMPLETED AND THE BASIS FOR THE STOP WOULD BE A *POSSIBLE VUFA VIOLATION*

D. ONCE THE OFFICER RECEIVES CONFIRMATION THAT THE CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE IS VALID, AND THERE ARE NO OTHER OFFENSE OR VIOLATIONS BEING INVESTIGATED, OFFICERS SHOULD RETURN THE FIREARM AND AMMUNITION BACK TO THE INDIVIDUAL AT THE END OF THE STOP.

E. HOWEVER, IF THE INDIVIDUAL CANNOT PRODUCE A VALID CONCEALED CARRY LICENSE OR THE LICENSE IS NOT VALID (I.E. EXPIRED OR REVOKED), PROBABLE CAUSE THEN EXISTS TO ARREST THE INDIVIDUAL FOR THE VUFAVIOLATION AND TRANSPORT THE INDIVIDUAL TO THE DIVISIONAL DETECTIVES FOR PROCESSING. THE FIREARM AND AMMUNITION SHOULD BE PLACED ON A PROPERTY RECEIPT (75-3) AND MARKED AS * EVIDENCE*. A 75-48A FOR THE INITIAL STOP MUST BE PREPARD ALONG WITH A 75-48 FOR THE VUFA ARREST.

[cbdresources]

Thank you. Will try to download again when I have access to a regular desktop instead of a phone.

[Carson]

That Directive is ancient and that policy is no longer in effect. The Directives aren*t even numbered that way anymore.

[Sgt.K]

That Directive is ancient and that policy is no longer in effect.

Carson, my brother,

Is there a current directive? If so, any chance you can provide it?

[Fetus]

Carson, my brother,

Is there a current directive? If so, any chance you can provide it?

I'm Not Carson but can answer for you. Here. it's A Big change from just a few years ago. I keep a copy on my phone.

https://www.phillypolice.com/assets/...7-Firearms.pdf





A LTCF authorizes its holder to carry any firearm, so long as the firearm complies with state and federal law. The firearm is not required to be owned by the LTCF holder themselves.
a. §6108 Crime Code - A person in possession of a LTCF may carry a firearm, rifle or shotgun at any time upon the public streets or upon any public property in the city of the first class (Philadelphia). This would include rifles such as the AR-15 and AK-47, which may only be carried openly.

a. If a person has a valid LTCF issued within the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania or any reciprocating state, that person may OPENLY and VISIBLY carry a firearm in the City of Philadelphia (or concealed).
B. Police encounters with a person openly carrying a firearm:
1. In light of applicable case law, officers must be aware that the mere act of openly and visibly carrying a firearm alone, is insufficient grounds to justify an investigatory detention (See Commonwealth v. Hicks, 208 A.3d 916 (Pa. 2019)).
a. This also applies to radio calls where there are no facts indicating criminal wrongdoing, other than merely carrying a firearm.
2. Officers shall bear in mind that there is no standard of suspicion required to engage individuals in mere encounters. However, when doing so, individuals are under no obligation to comply with or reciprocally engage an officer. They are free to remain silent and/or walk away at any point.

[Sgt.K]

I'm Not Carson but can answer for you. Here. it's A Big change from just a few years ago. I keep a copy on my phone.

https://www.phillypolice.com/assets/...7-Firearms.pdf





A LTCF authorizes its holder to carry any firearm, so long as the firearm complies with state and federal law. The firearm is not required to be owned by the LTCF holder themselves.
a. §6108 Crime Code - A person in possession of a LTCF may carry a firearm, rifle or shotgun at any time upon the public streets or upon any public property in the city of the first class (Philadelphia). This would include rifles such as the AR-15 and AK-47, which may only be carried openly.

a. If a person has a valid LTCF issued within the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania or any reciprocating state, that person may OPENLY and VISIBLY carry a firearm in the City of Philadelphia (or concealed).
B. Police encounters with a person openly carrying a firearm:
1. In light of applicable case law, officers must be aware that the mere act of openly and visibly carrying a firearm alone, is insufficient grounds to justify an investigatory detention (See Commonwealth v. Hicks, 208 A.3d 916 (Pa. 2019)).
a. This also applies to radio calls where there are no facts indicating criminal wrongdoing, other than merely carrying a firearm.
2. Officers shall bear in mind that there is no standard of suspicion required to engage individuals in mere encounters. However, when doing so, individuals are under no obligation to comply with or reciprocally engage an officer. They are free to remain silent and/or walk away at any point.

Mercy bucket...