Wayne County Sheriff Is Pro Second

[vanderjack]

I had a good conversation with the Sheriff of Wayne county today.

He will sign of on Form 1 & 4's.
He likes to do his own BR checks just to be sure.
Of course the fed still has to do theirs too.
He does not charge for them and he is a very fair guy & he made the point very clear he is pro gun.
The last Sheriff they had wouldn't sign off as I understand it.

Wayne County Sheriff’s Department
Courthouse Annex
925 Court St.
Honesdale PA, 18431
(570)253-2641

Mark Steelman, Sheriff

[IronSight]

I had a good conversation with the Sheriff of Wayne county today.

He will sign of on Form 1 & 4's.
He likes to do his own BR checks just to be sure.
Of course the fed still has to do theirs too.
He does not charge for them and he is a very fair guy & he made the point very clear he is pro gun.
The last Sheriff they had wouldn't sign off as I understand it.

Wayne County Sheriff’s Department
Courthouse Annex
925 Court St.
Honesdale PA, 18431
(570)253-2641

Mark Steelman, Sheriff

I have several concerns.

Here's his website.
http://www.co.wayne.pa.us/?pageid=12

Here's the problems in how he handles LTCF applications:
1) he requires an unnecessary local police check without any actual authority to require it
2) he places extra requirements upon references beyond the simple "not family members" (don't get me started on the fact that by law references aren't even required at all)
3) his fee system is strange, and doesn't follow 18 Pa.C.S. § 6109 (subsection (h)(5) "The fee is payable to the sheriff to whom the application is submitted and is payable at the time of application for the license.")

Thank you for posting this thread, as I had not noticed the problems in your county before and will be adding them to the extensive report I've already compiled on this subject.

[vanderjack]

I have several concerns.

Here's his website.
http://www.co.wayne.pa.us/?pageid=12

Here's the problems in how he handles LTCF applications:
1) he requires an unnecessary local police check without any actual authority to require it
2) he places extra requirements upon references beyond the simple "not family members" (don't get me started on the fact that by law references aren't even required at all)
3) his fee system is strange, and doesn't follow 18 Pa.C.S. § 6109 (subsection (h)(5) "The fee is payable to the sheriff to whom the application is submitted and is payable at the time of application for the license.")

Thank you for posting this thread, as I had not noticed the problems in your county before and will be adding them to the extensive report I've already compiled on this subject.

Ok you're right about him adding his own back round check, but.
He is not violating the law by requesting you submit to it either.
He can at will refuse to sign a form 1 or 4 and there is nothing you can do if he does.
You submitting to his back round check is voluntary, if you don't want it done he doesn't have to sign.
On the other hand the NFA has missed more than a few domestic violence arrests since they were not in the federal system.
The way Sheriffs do these they run it through the county data base and if the guy was arrested for DV it shows up.
The Sheriff is doing what he feels is right to protect himself, the county and still signing off.
There are more than a few sheriffs that won't sign at all.

[vanderjack]

It looks like they are tacking on the $5.00 fee that they are supposed to remit.

(ii) An additional temporary fee of $5 shall be remitted by the sheriff to the Firearms License to Carry Modernization Account

[vanderjack]

The fee max I always thought was $20.00
The extra $5.00 amounts to a $1.00 a year, who really cares about a dollar?
If it helps out the county?

[vanderjack]

I don't where you think he doesn't have the authority to do the back round checks, it's mandated that he does them in the state statute.

(d) Sheriff to conduct investigation.--The sheriff to whom the application is made shall:
(1) investigate the applicant's record of criminal conviction;
(2) investigate whether or not the applicant is under indictment for or has ever been convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment exceeding one year;
(3) investigate whether the applicant's character and reputation are such that the applicant will not be likely to act in a manner dangerous to public safety;
(4) investigate whether the applicant would be precluded from receiving a license under subsection (e)(1) or section 6105(h) (relating to persons not to possess, use, manufacture, control, sell or transfer firearms); and
(5) conduct a criminal background, juvenile delinquency and mental health check following the procedures set forth in section 6111 (relating to sale or transfer of firearms), receive a unique approval number for that inquiry and record the date and number on the application.

[NathanB]

I did in 2014 and six stamps ago. Of course with the new atf rules there is no signature requirement either so that doesn't matter.

[NY yank]

Not anymore. They refuse to issue non resident permits as of July 2017. I was there 10/02/17 and refused to take the application to renew.

[Andy63]

Is that the case for sportsman permit as well?

[NY yank]

They will not except any out of state permit period. You can get one at Scranton as long as there are no restriction on your NY. Must be a full carry from NY.