PPD Strikes Again - Confiscates weapon because I "refused to conceal"

[ViperGTS19801]

...at least, that's what it says on the property receipt.

Don't worry, I've spoken with a lawyer, but since no illegal act was committed (how DARE this law abiding citizen exercise his right in MY city of the First Class!), I'm hoping I can go file a return of property thing and get it back in short order. I'll be discussing this further with my lawyer tomorrow afternoon.

More details to come when this gets resolved.

ETA: This is the audio from my recording of the encounter. http://www.supload.com/listen?s=P8rqSi

[renegadephoenix]

tagged for updates

[gooseSA40]

Don't worry, I've spoken with a lawyer, but since no illegal act was committed (how DARE this law abiding citizen exercise his right in MY city of the First Class!), I'm hoping I can go file a return of property thing and get it back in short order. I'll be discussing this further with my lawyer tomorrow afternoon.

I'm hoping you're grouping your first encounter with this.... sounds like harassment. Keep us posted.

[GregorOneEye]

Confiscation?? Jesus..

[Azzy]

Confiscation? Sounds like a crime was commited, at least where I stand. Sounds like the guy issuing the slip was the criminal.

[The Unknown 1087]

I would be PISSED OFF

[ViperGTS19801]

Confiscation? Sounds like a crime was commited, at least where I stand. Sounds like the guy issuing the slip was the criminal.

My thought's exactly.

Reading over the Property Receipt, there's a little section for the reason of confiscation, and of the available options, "Personal Property for Safekeeping" is checked, and further down on the receipt there's a section for Circumstances, and it says, "Above items (firearm, magazines, rounds) confiscated from above male after refused to conceal firearm, due to officer and public safety.

Charges: NONE"

So, basically, the police decided that a gun, resting untouched in a happy leather holster, in no danger of going off or being fiddled with, is safer if it's roughly handled on the side of a crowded public street by someone who likely has no experience with that particular model weapon. Also, no "charges" are being "filed," which means I did nothing wrong but they are going to go ahead and take my stuff away because they want to.

Yeah, real great. It amazes me that the people who are supposed to enforce the law are authorized to simply steal your property because they don't think you're responsible enough to have it, then tell you it's for your own safety. What a crock of shit.

Morons. Fuck Philadelphia. FUCK IT.

[PA CERTIFIED AGENT]

they will argue the fact that it is a city of the first class it is illegal to oc in philadelphia.

[jhbenson4]

My thought's exactly.

Reading over the Property Receipt, there's a little section for the reason of confiscation, and of the available options, "Personal Property for Safekeeping" is checked, and further down on the receipt there's a section for Circumstances, and it says, "Above items (firearm, magazines, rounds) confiscated from above male after refused to conceal firearm, due to officer and public safety.

Charges: NONE"

So, basically, the police decided that a gun, resting untouched in a happy leather holster, in no danger of going off or being fiddled with, is safer if it's roughly handled on the side of a crowded public street by someone who likely has no experience with that particular model weapon. Also, no "charges" are being "filed," which means I did nothing wrong but they are going to go ahead and take my stuff away because they want to.

Yeah, real great. It amazes me that the people who are supposed to enforce the law are authorized to simply steal your property because they don't think you're responsible enough to have it, then tell you it's for your own safety. What a crock of shit.

Morons. Fuck Philadelphia. FUCK IT.

Viper, I want to throw this right back in Lentz's face. At that hearing the other day they all go on and on about how the PPD has no problem with people that OC, etc etc etc. When your lawyer clears it could you PM me with some details, officer, date/time, etc? I don't know how much of a difference it will make but I want to make a stink out of this until he gets tired of hearing from me (and I'm not even in his district) over this issue.

[Connal]

I'm hoping you're grouping your first encounter with this.... sounds like harassment. Keep us posted.

First thing I thought. I would confiscate my foot right up their badge hole.

If funding will be needed to fight this, I will give all that I can. Without work, it might not be much, but as they say "every little bit".

Keep us updated.