00 Buck or 32 ACP ?

[orionz06]

00 buck has 13-15" of penetration, exceeding the magic number of 12", .32 is lucky to get 8". I would think the reduced number of shots to place the buckshot would be better. I would also note that .32 should be better than a sharp stick or knife right away as it provides distance that the edged weapon cannot.

[Rodolfo Fierro]

Yeah....you want to explain that "upgraded the theoretical gun" part?

This part is a hijack....my apologies.

This comes up again and again. On one level, I can understand that some one might not want to carry such a small cartridge but then again.......the .32 has substantially more energy than a .22 fired from a similar gun - and makes a bigger hole, The same is true for the .25. Now....why mention the .22, the least powerful of the three? Take a look at the video of the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan. The weapon involved was a .22. With six shots, John Hinckley incapacitated three grown men, in addition to nearly killing Reagan with a ricochet. The Secret Service agent was literally knocked off his feet. With a .22.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoZeZprXnDg
Pete

I am trying to find, for comparison purposes, what is the equivalent power of nine 00 Buck balls. 32ACP has about the same size projectiles but, with less velocity. The theoritical gun "32 sub-maching gun" is the closest comparison that I can think of. I do not advocate using a Czech Stinger for HD. I am looking for somthing to illustrate how much energy a 12 ga 00 Buck load has.

[orionz06]

9mm makarov with FMJ's? ~13-16" penetration.

[Rodolfo Fierro]

9mm makarov with FMJ's? ~13-16" penetration.

How does the 380 compare ?

[orionz06]

How does the 380 compare ?

It appears to have a slight edge (FMJ) over the makarov.

I think it is safer to compare FMJ to lead ball.

[mmcallister]

a Mossberg 500 is a great HD gun, if its too "heavy" or your home is a sardine-can styled apartment like my old one was, then i would go with a glock 21.

[Neko456]

The delivery vehicle for (9) simultaneous .32 ACP doesn't exist.

That is what I see not even close, statistic wise the 12 gauge with dlb odd buck rates very high as a man stopper because of it 9 holes at once and the 32 acp barely rates as a man stopper (even though they are sweet shooters).

What you have with the 12 gauge is like a 32 cal times 9 all at once that can't be reproduced by any handgun NOT even the 45acp.

Given the option of facing a DEADLY THREAT I'd choose a 12 gauge with dbl odd buck over a 32 cal pistol any day of the week.

[Pete D.]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodolfo Fierro View Post
How does the 380 compare ?
It appears to have a slight edge (FMJ) over the makarov.

No. It's the other way around. The Makarov cartridge makes a slightly bigger hole than the .380 and has about a ten percent edge in energy. (.380 95grain FMJ = 190ftlbs vs. 9mm Mak 95 grain FMJ at about 218)
Pete

[orionz06]

No. It's the other way around. The Makarov cartridge makes a slightly bigger hole than the .380 and has about a ten percent edge in energy. (.380 95grain FMJ = 190ftlbs vs. 9mm Mak 95 grain FMJ at about 218)
Pete

I was going by penetration in my unscientific "write down as many numbers from the same barrel length as you can in a quick google search" test...

I don't feel that energy is a very good way to compare dissimilar projectile types given the difference in ability for the two round types to transfer energy to the target.

[Pete D.]

Orion:

I was going by penetration in my unscientific "write down as many

I see. You are saying that the .380 has better penetration - more comparable to the buckshot in question.
If that is so, I stand corrected.
Seems, though, (could be wrong) that the fatter .362 bullet would transfer more energy to the target than the .356 bullet. Is penetration a good measure of energy dump? (Not arguing....just thinking and typing.) Neither, of course, is the equal of all those buckshot pellets.
I wonder how effective the Stechkin automatic pistol was/is; it fits right with the OP's theoretical firearm - fully auto in one mode. Lots of bullets fast. Hmmm....maybe it would be the equal. (cyclic = 600rpm/ 20 round magazine)
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg22-e.htm
Pete