OC and transportation.

[knighthawk06699]

This question is geared toward all of those of you who OC but have no LTCF. How do you get firearm from place to place with you? With out a LTCF guns in cars are illegal except for a few select circumstances, and conditions.

[Emptymag]

Ummm... the only logical answer is "on foot".

[Mxyzptlk]

Flap your arms real fast.

[Agent Smith]

You could unload it and lock it in the trunk, couldn't you? Or am I forgetting something?

[338winmag]

i oc but i have a hunting permit also so i just unload it lock the action back and lay it on the seat i don't know if this is the rite way but its my way

[4XLT]

thats what i thought too Smith. unload and lock up where you cant reach it, keep ammo in a different area also

[Emptymag]

You could unload it and lock it in the trunk, couldn't you? Or am I forgetting something?

Well, looks like this may turn out to be an educational thread, even though this stuff has been posted numerous times.


Someone will come along and post the laws regarding transporting firearms in a vehicle WITHOUT a LTCF...

[axmdr40]

No, in the vehicle is still a violation of Pennsylvania's UFA unless it falls under the following exemptions listed in Section 1606 of Title 18:

(4) Any persons engaged in target shooting with rifle, pistol, or revolver, if such persons

are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the cartridges or shells are carried in a separate container and the rifle, pistol or revolver is unloaded.

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or

(8) Any person while carrying a firearm unloaded and in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section

bold added for emphasis

and perhaps

(9) Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such per*sons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.

SOOOOOO...unless to or from the range, or to or from shop from purchase or repair, you are still in violation of the law in regards to carrying your firearm in your vehicle w/o having your LTCF.

[LittleRedToyota]

You could unload it and lock it in the trunk, couldn't you? Or am I forgetting something?

no, you cannot just do that.

you are only allowed to carry an unloaded handgun in a car in PA without an LTCF if you are going to or coming from a very short list of places (like directly to and from the range or gun shop). you cannot, for example, legally lock your unloaded pistol in your trunk and drive to the mall.

(and, of course, you cannot carry a loaded handgun in a car in PA without an LTCF or other state CCW permit ever.)

here is the part of the PA UFA that lists when you can legally transport an unloaded (with some of the relevant sections bolded...though the most relevant issue is that there is no exception that applies to transporting the firearm to some random place where you plan to legally open carry...and, of course, i can't bold what isn't there):

§ 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.
(a) Offense defined.--
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who
carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a
firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place
of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and
lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony
of the third degree.
(2) A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a
valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any
vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or
about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place
of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and
has not committed any other criminal violation commits a
misdemeanor of the first degree.

(b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not
apply to:
(1) Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or
their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its
political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.
(2) Members of the army, navy, marine corps, air force
or coast guard of the United States or of the National Guard
or organized reserves when on duty.
(3) The regularly enrolled members of any organization
duly organized to purchase or receive such firearms from the
United States or from this Commonwealth.
(4) Any persons engaged in target shooting with a
firearm, if such persons are at or are going to or from their
places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to
or from their places of assembly or target practice, the
firearm is not loaded.
(5) Officers or employees of the United States duly
authorized to carry a concealed firearm.
(6) Agents, messengers and other employees of common
carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them
to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the
discharge of such duties.
(7) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing,
repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or
representative of any such person, having in his possession,
using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course
of such business.
(8) Any person while carrying a firearm which is not
loaded and is in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase
to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair,
sale or appraisal or back to his home or place of business,
or in moving from one place of abode or business to another
or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or
dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section
6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police), or to a
place of instruction intended to teach the safe handling, use
or maintenance of firearms or back or to a location to which
the person has been directed to relinquish firearms under 23
Pa.C.S. § 6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of
the relinquished firearm or to a licensed dealer's place of
business for relinquishment pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.2
(relating to relinquishment for consignment sale, lawful
transfer or safekeeping) or back upon return of the
relinquished firearm or to a location for safekeeping
pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.3 (relating to relinquishment
to third party for safekeeping) or back upon return of the
relinquished firearm.
(9) Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in
this Commonwealth, if such persons are actually hunting,
taking furbearers or fishing as permitted by such license, or
are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take
furbearers or fish or returning from such places.
(10) Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually
training dogs during the regular training season.
(11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle,
which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license
for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the
United States or any other state.
(12) A person who has a lawfully issued license to carry
a firearm pursuant to section 6109 (relating to licenses) and
that said license expired within six months prior to the date
of arrest and that the individual is otherwise eligible for
renewal of the license.
(13) Any person who is otherwise eligible to possess a
firearm under this chapter and who is operating a motor
vehicle which is registered in the person's name or the name
of a spouse or parent and which contains a firearm for which
a valid license has been issued pursuant to section 6109 to
the spouse or parent owning the firearm.
(14) A person lawfully engaged in the interstate
transportation of a firearm as defined under 18 U.S.C. §
921(a)(3) (relating to definitions) in compliance with 18
U.S.C. § 926A (relating to interstate transportation of
firearms).

if you do not fall into one of the exceptions listed above, you cannot legally carry a handgun (even if unloaded) in your vehicle.

note that 4 and 8 require you to be going to or from very specific locations.

also note that 14 requires you to be transporting the firearm between states.

[axmdr40]

i oc but i have a hunting permit also so i just unload it lock the action back and lay it on the seat i don't know if this is the rite way but its my way

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