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April 3rd, 2023, 06:51 PM #1Junior Member
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Looking for a WW2 M1A1
Looking to buy one in the next few months kinda just putting feelers out to see what a good price is and what kinda of process it is. New to class 3 live in western pa. Another question if I had an original M1A1 had it welded and wanted it to be only semi-auto is that possible?
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April 3rd, 2023, 08:26 PM #2
Re: Looking for a WW2 M1A1
I think you're getting the M1 (M1A1 ) carbines confused with the M2 carbine. The M1 carbines were semi automatic only. In the case of the M1A1 that's the paratrooper model with a folding stock. They would transfer as a standard long gun.
The M2 carbines came out after WW2. A transferable (registered) M2 would be a "class 3" transfer. These would be substantially more than an M1 or M1A1The resident Saiga snob
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April 3rd, 2023, 09:58 PM #3Grand Member
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Re: Looking for a WW2 M1A1
I thought he meant the m1a1 Thompson .45acp.
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April 3rd, 2023, 10:32 PM #4Grand Member
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Re: Looking for a WW2 M1A1
If your second question is not a hypothetical and you are describing a specific deactivated gun, I would ask is there any chance it is (or was) papered as an NFA registered DEWAT (Deactivated War Trophy)? If so, it could probably be legally reactivated into a transferable MG which would be far more valuable than a semi-auto.
If there is any chance that it might have been properly registered as a DEWAT at one time but you don't have paperwork, it is worth contacting a lawyer and having them check its status with the ATF anonymously on your behalf. DEWATs must be transferred (tax free) on a Form 5, but even if the chain of transfers was broken at some point previously (for example, due to improper transfer via inheritance or something), it might be possible to request a copy of the last form 5 that it was on and have the legal heir file the correct paperwork to restore the correct legal status so that it could be legally reactivated on a Form 1.
Of course, this only applies if it was indeed registered as a DEWAT back in the day, but it's worth discussing to try to save a genuine war artifact from an unnecessary neutering.
Best of luck.I am not a lawyer.
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April 3rd, 2023, 10:53 PM #6Super Member
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Re: Looking for a WW2 M1A1
If there is ever any possibility that an old MG might have been registered at one time, consider contacting a lawyer to inquire with ATF on your behalf. They can do it anonymously. You wouldn't want to surrender or destroy contraband only to find out it was actually originally properly registered as a transferable. If it was properly registered, it might be possible to "recover" it back to transferable status by requesting the existing registration paperwork and having the rightful heir file new paperwork. This has been done many times according to Ian at Forgotten Weapons.
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April 3rd, 2023, 11:54 PM #7
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Anything NFA, aka Class 3, is pretty simple with a little help. You tell us what you want, we find it, you pay for it, you get electronic fingerprints and passport photos done, we help you file the ATF eForm 4 transfer, wait 9 to 12 months, you pick up the item. Same process if suppressor, SBR, SBS, AOW, or MG.
If you have a parts kit of a M1A1, yes, you can manufacture a semi-auto SBR out of those parts after having a ATF Form 1 approved.
Parts kits can go from $1,300 to $2,000 depending on condition. Tiger Imports has them for $1,300 right now.Washington County Machine Guns & Tactical Range -- CMP Affiliated Club -- FFL 07 / FFL 10 / FEL 20 / SOT 02 / ITAR
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April 4th, 2023, 08:56 PM #8
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March 13th, 2024, 07:08 PM #9
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March 20th, 2024, 02:54 PM #10
Re: Looking for a WW2 M1A1
I assume he is talking about taking a cut up parts kit (destroyed machinegun) and having it built into a semi-auto, most likely an SBR. That is legal.
This forum is the best place to see MGs listed for sale: https://www.sturmgewehr.com/forums/index.php?/discover/
Here is the MG price guide: http://machinegunpriceguide.com/html/subguns.html
You can use a dealer like WCMG or others to find it for you, or you can find it yourself. I wouldn't hesitate to work with WCMG myself.
Buying in state is one NFA transfer. Buying out of state is two NFA transfers.
You will see a price difference for a genuine WW2 bring back (C&R eligible) Thompson and one that was made post war.Last edited by JoshIronshaft; March 20th, 2024 at 03:21 PM.
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