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    Default No knock warrants, police abuse

    Good blog post on lew rockwell http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...es/017032.html

    It's an often discussed situation on gun forums, it's dark and someone is booting down your door, what if it's the police serving a mistaken no knock warrant?

    Sure the scenario is far fetched...kinda, but i guess here's your answer: They'll shoot you, let you bleed out on the floor and plant drugs in your basement.

    At least they'll spend a long time in jail for abuse of their powers and murder...kinda.
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    There is a VERY sad case of some dude who the police broke into his house in the middle of the night with a no-knock warrant (meant for his neighboor). He ended up shooting the dumb pig, but as luck would have it, said dumb pig was the mayor's son.

    So the poor dude is now sitting in death row, a truly sad story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LorDiego01 View Post
    There is a VERY sad case of some dude who the police broke into his house in the middle of the night with a no-knock warrant (meant for his neighboor). He ended up shooting the dumb pig, but as luck would have it, said dumb pig was the mayor's son.

    So the poor dude is now sitting in death row, a truly sad story.
    post the article if you find it. Frankly, there's no way to win a case like that anymore, no matter how justified it may be. You choices boil down to fleeing the country or grabbing that list of people who have wronged you and making it count for something.

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    Default Re: No knock warrants, police abuse

    I would do the same thing this guy did. I'm a law abiding citizen and the worst I do is drink underage; so I would not be thinking "no-knock warrant" but "holy f-----g s--t I'm being robbed".

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    Quote Originally Posted by LorDiego01 View Post
    that's a shit deal. My apartment is in a duplex that was a single family conversion and it would be very easy of officers raiding the bottom apartment to come upstairs not knowing it was a seperate resedence (just a locked door at the top of the stairs). My neighbor is a nice guy but in this day and age who knows who is into what? I keep a lot more than a 380 next to the bed. It would be a fucking massacre unless they were very clearly uniformed and announcing.

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    Default Re: No knock warrants, police abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by LorDiego01 View Post
    There is a VERY sad case of some dude who the police broke into his house in the middle of the night with a no-knock warrant (meant for his neighboor). He ended up shooting the dumb pig, but as luck would have it, said dumb pig was the mayor's son.

    So the poor dude is now sitting in death row, a truly sad story.
    That was in the CATO article. Didn't they try him in the state court, but he only got life in prison, so they retried him in federal court and got the death penalty.


    http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/ba...paper_2006.pdf


    Officer Ron Jones. On December 26,
    2001, police in Prentiss, Mississippi,
    served search warrants on two apartments
    in a duplex. One apartment was
    occupied by Jamie Smith, named in the
    warrant as a “known drug dealer.” The
    other was occupied by Cory Maye, who
    had no criminal record and wasn’t
    named in the warrants. At the time of
    the raid, Maye was asleep with his 18-
    month-old daughter. After attempting
    to enter through the front door, police
    moved to the back and broke down the
    door to Maye’s bedroom. Officer Ron
    Jones was the first police officer to enter.
    Maye, who says he feared for his life,
    fired three times, striking Jones once.
    Maye’s bullet hit Jones in the abdomen,
    just below his bulletproof vest. Jones
    died a short time later. Police found
    only traces of marijuana in Maye’s
    apartment, after first telling reporters
    they’d found no drugs at all. Officer
    Jones was the only officer who conducted
    the investigation leading up to the
    raid and apparently kept no notes of his
    investigation. According to the district
    attorney and prosecutor in the Maye
    case, all evidence of the investigation
    leading to the raid on Maye’s home
    “died with Officer Jones.”446 In January
    2004, Maye was convicted of capital
    murder for the death of Jones and sentenced
    to die by lethal injection.447
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    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/...ong.house.wlwt

    wrecked you house, killed your guinea pig, sorry for the inconvenience. Sure her kids will grow up with a fine respect for law enforcement.
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    Default Re: No knock warrants, police abuse

    No knock warrants are not permitted in PA.
    Jules

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    Default Re: No knock warrants, police abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by ar15jules View Post
    No knock warrants are not permitted in PA.
    Jules
    No, in this state they knock and get out of the way of the battering ram coming right behind them. Essentially no difference, certainly not if you're asleep in your home.

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