Tuscon AZ. Shootings ?????

[PhillyGunslinger]

After the tradgedy in Tuscon AZ this weekend does anyone think Arizona's gun laws will be changed because of the actions taken this weekend ?
The congresswoman shot was a second amendment advocate but will that mean anything ? Yes Gabrielle Giffords believed in 2nd amendment rights and was shot in the head by some psycho kid ! Now will the whole state or country even have to suffer for what this idiot did this past weekend ?
This nutjob kid is part of the problem why people don't want guns. It's not going to change my thoughts on them but you know the anti-gunners will use this as a reason to exile guns from this nation.

Your Thoughts ?

[PocketProtector]

Not only are your 2A rights going to be assaulted but the left is already attacking the 1st also.

The ink isn't even dry on the warrant yet and we get this from a Philly Pol:

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/201...eral-lawmaker/

PHILADELPHIA (CBS) – In the wake of the shooting in Arizona, a local congressman is introducing legislation that would expand the law that deals with threats against the President to also cover federal lawmakers.

Congressman Bob Brady, who represents Pennsylvania’s first congressional district, wants to make it illegal to use language or symbols that could be perceived as threatening or inciting violence against any member of congress. “We are out there as much as anyone else, and we intend to criminalize behavior that engages in putting crosshairs or bull’s-eyes on members of Congress and on their district,” Brady said.

Brady said he isn’t pointing at one particular party but those words ‘crosshairs or bull’s-eyes on a district’ aren’t chosen at random. They specifically address a now well-known page on a Sarah Palin political action committee website which included Rep. Gabrielle Giffords’ district.

Brady feels that should be a federal crime and said they are just trying to protect themselves. “You can’t protect us in the district, it’s just too hard to protect all of us in the district, and I’m not going to hide or not go to my events or not go to public events, just because of this incident,” Brady said.

However, critics of the proposed bill feel the language is just too broad and threatens free speech. They also point out investigators of the Arizona tragedy don’t yet have a motive for the shooting.

[PocketProtector]

.....and this. and it's all exploitive BS by who else ?? The Left

Arizona Massacre Prompts Political 'Cheap Shots'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...l-cheap-shots/

When Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords collapsed outside the Safeway in Tucson Saturday morning, felled by a hail of bullets that killed six and wounded another 13 innocent people that had come to see her, some were quick to claim that the carnage was the product not merely of the tortured mind and trigger-happy fingers of the alleged shooter, 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner.

Rather, many on the American Left said the horror could be traced to the malign influence of American conservatives; members of the Tea Party; right-wing pundits Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck; former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin; and Fox News.

That was the narrative of culpability spun in the immediate aftermath of the shootings by some leading liberal commentators and Democratic politicians – despite warnings from religious leaders, lawyers, academics, ethicists, reporters and historians that such a rush to judgment only further deepens the partisan divide in America, and further poisons its discourse.

Within minutes after the attempted assassination of Giffords – indeed, at a point when it was still erroneously believed in many quarters that she was dead, and the identity of her shooter was not publicly known – some commentators, absent any credible evidence, were already busily laying blame for the atrocity in political terms. Nobel Prize-winning economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman blogged at 3:22 p.m. ET Saturday: “We don’t have proof yet that this was political, but the odds are that it was.”

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, a Democrat, also found a political element in Saturday’s bloodshed. Dupnik argued that the “vitriol” of the country’s harshly polarized political climate was partly to blame, arguing that unbalanced individuals are uniquely “susceptible” to vitriol. Dupnik added, in an interview with Fox News’ Megyn Kelly: “We see one party trying to block the attempts of another party to make this a better country.” Asked by Kelly if he had any evidence Loughner was in any way influenced by political “vitriol,” Dupnik offered none. “That’s my opinion, period,” he said.

Krugman, in his blog post on the Times website, went on to mention Giffords’s presence last year on Palin’s “infamous crosshairs list.” This was a map, disseminated by Palin’s political action committee, SarahPAC, denoting the districts of twenty vulnerable House Democrats with images of crosshairs overlaid on each. The map was accompanied by a caption saying: IT’S TIME TO TAKE A STAND. Giffords herself, during her narrow campaign victory over a Tea Party-backed opponent last year, had complained about this choice of imagery, telling MSNBC: “The way that [Palin] has it depicted, the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district...When people do that, they’ve gotta realize there are consequences to that action.”

Unnoted by Giffords then, or Krugman now, is the routine use of similar language and imagery by both parties in a culture obsessed with “battleground” states. Indeed, a nearly identical map, included in a Democratic Leadership Committee publication in 2004, featured nine bullseyes over regions where Republican candidates were considered vulnerable that year, and was accompanied by a caption reading: TARGETING STRATEGY. A smaller caption, beneath the bullseyes, read: BEHIND ENEMY LINES. The map illustrated an article on campaign strategy by Will Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute.

Krugman’s blog post on Saturday linked “the rhetoric of Beck, Limbaugh, etc.” to “the violence I fear we’re going to see in the months and years ahead,” and added: “Violent acts are what happen when you create a climate of hate.” Yet in all of the grammatically hobbled writings and statements that Loughner posted on the Internet – in which, ironically, one of his chief obsessions was others’ poor grammar – the failed student and awkward loner made not a single reference to talk-radio or the TV hosts Krugman cited, to the health care debate or the Tea Party, to Sarah Palin or Fox News.

Still, Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.) found conservative lawmakers and Fox News at fault. The eight-term lawmaker told the Bergen Record Saturday: “There's an aura of hate, and elected politicians feed it; certain people on Fox News feed it."

Pascrell, for his part, has appeared as a guest on Fox News at least 159 times, dating from a January 2002 appearance on “The O’Reilly Factor” (“Honor to talk to you,” Pascrell told host Bill O’Reilly, at the end of their segment) to an appearance last month on “Your World with Neil Cavuto,” thirty-eight days before the Tucson massacre. “The nation needs to be united right now,” Pascrell told the hosts of “Fox & Friends” last Jan. 28, nearly a year before he blamed the network and GOP politicians for the attempted assassination of Giffords. “We don't do the nation any good by simply dividing amongst ourselves.”

Without mentioning Palin by name, Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois, the number-two Democrat in the Senate, alluded on Sunday to the 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee in his discussion of the causes of the violence the day before. Durbin invoked "don't retreat, reload," a phrase from a well publicized Twitter message once sent by Palin, as the kind of “violent” sentiment that can provoke incidents like Saturday’s. "These sorts of things, I think, invite the kind of toxic rhetoric that can lead unstable people to believe this is an acceptable response,” Durbin said on CNN’s “State on the Union” program.

Some prominent commentators objected to these comments.

“To try to place blame before an investigation has occurred is in itself inciting hatred,” countered Christian missionary Franklin Graham. Reached by Fox News minutes after returning to the United States from Haiti, where he had hosted Palin on a humanitarian mission last month, Graham offered prayers for the wounded and dead, and cautioned against ascribing a political motivation or origin to the violence. “Because we may disagree with a person from another political party, and something bad happens to that person, does that mean that we are responsible for what happens to that person? By no means. But If somebody calls for someone to go out and shoot someone in the head, then that person is just as responsible as the person who pulled the trigger.”

Historian Douglas Brinkley agreed.

“We've got to be careful here that we don't use this as a censoring moment, or use this as a Democrats-beating-up-on-Republicans [moment], or using it as an opportunity to humiliate anybody who's affiliated with the Tea Party movement,” Brinkley said. The author of numerous acclaimed biographies, Brinkley has edited the collected papers of the late Gonzo journalist Hunter S. Thompson, and won the 2007 Robert F. Kennedy Book Award for “The Great Deluge: Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans, and the Mississippi Gulf Coast.”

“There are definitely times when you have fallout from politics,” Brinkley told Fox News in an interview from Austin, Texas, “but we don't want to lose the central point here: that this is a deranged person, that there's nobody serious in the Republican Party that would want to see such a heinous event happen at a Safeway. So we’ve got to be careful not to be braggadocio, not to use this, if you're a Democrat, as a weapon.”

Reporter Pete Williams, who covers legal affairs and the Supreme Court for NBC News, steered his viewers away from a political explanation for the violent attack on a political figure. “ The initial picture we’re getting is that this is not what you would call, in the traditional sense, a politically motivated act,” Williams said. “This seems to be the actions of a very disturbed individual.”

That call was widely heard on Fox News.

“I don't know whether he's insane or not, but I do know that we need a reasonable discussion of what was going on with this man,” said Peter Johnson, Jr., a Fox News legal analyst. “[Loughner’s Internet] statements, taken together with the police conduct with regard to his known activities – especially taken with the fact that he was rejected by the Army – paints a disturbing picture of a mind that appears not to be intact….And we need to understand that the spinning wheel of recrimination at this point should be based on the facts, and not based on some rhetorical determination.”

Juan Williams, the liberal Fox News analyst and historian of the civil rights movement, said Sheriff Dupnik “speaks for a lot of people” who would like to see the tenor of the American political debate dialed down a notch. “People realize that in the era of Obama, a lot of highly charged vilification of the president has been going on, particularly during the health-care debate,” Williams said. “So people are alert for anything that could possibly be tied to the highly polarized political environment.”

At the same time, Williams recalled the “bump” in public opinion polls President Clinton received when, in the wake of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, he attacked right-wing radio hosts. Williams urged Democrats to refrain from adopting a similar tactic today. “Some on the left are taking cheap shots,” Williams said, “to try to keep Republicans on the defensive. In all honesty, I don’t see any direct connection between any Republican group and this shooter…who is a psycho nut-job.”

Peter Wehner, a senior fellow at the Ethic and Public Policy Center in Washington, called the comments by Krugman, Durbin, and other liberals “sickening.”

“People were taking a terrible human tragedy and using it as a political club, and there wasn’t even a moratorium of twenty-four hours, or even twenty-four minutes,” said Wehner.

A veteran of several Republican White Houses and the co-author of “City of Man: Religion and Politics in a New Era,” Wehner said it would have been “legitimate” if the Tucson massacre had provoked a dialogue about gun control, because conservatives often seize on terrorist incidents to frame national security debates. But he also saw a double standard at work. “When [former Rep. Allen] Grayson called his opponent ‘Taliban Dan’ [during Grayson’s losing re-election campaign last year against GOP challenger Daniel Webster],” Wehner said, “I didn’t notice the left being concerned about an atmosphere of violence.”

Palin has issued a statement expressing her “sincere condolences” to those affected by Saturday’s shootings, but has not responded to suggestions that her statements, often studded with references to hunting and firearms, played some role in the Tucson massacre.

[Gun]

There will always be those (loners) who think that the only way to get a message across is by committing heinous acts, as witnessed in Tucson.

How do you legislate for that?

[PocketProtector]

....But described by his friends as :
News
Jared Loughner, Alleged Shooter in Gabrielle Giffords Attack, Described by Classmate as "Left-Wing Pothead"

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/val...ed_shooter.php

A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes him as "left wing" and a "pot head" in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon.

Caitie Parker did not immediately respond to our request for an interview, but her "tweets" in the hours after the shooting paint a picture of Jared Loughner as a substance-abusing loner who had met Giffords before the shooting. She says, Loughner described the congresswoman as "stupid and unintelligent."

We've confirmed that Parker and Loughner went to school together at Mountain View High School in Tucson and that both attended Pima Community College, so her claims of knowing Loughner seem to be legit.

Parker "tweets" that she and Loughner were in the band together and were friends until 2007 when he became "reclusive" after getting alcohol poisoning and dropping out of college.

She describes him as "quite liberal" and as a "political radical."

[velkly]

What happened is a tragedy, however, the tool used to perform the act is not the problem. The real issue lies with the actor and his actions, not in his tool of choice. As you said:

... was shot in the head by some psycho kid !

Will this stop the anti-gun fanaticists from hijacking the focus, you better believe it won't. I'm of the belief that a crowd of armed citizens could have gone far in saving some of his victims.

[PhillyGunslinger]

So now democrats and liberals are going to put the blame primarily on Sarah Palin for this tragedy. No matter what you think of the once Alaska Gov. this is not her fault.
How many times have we seen both Dems and Rep. use crosshairs and bullseyes during voting and election time ? There is actually language saying that this tactic should be dealt with punishment now ! Both first and second amendments are now in danger because of some idiot with a point to prove ! There is gonna be some of the most ridiculous and stupid opinions, and proposals you ever heard for the next year .
I just hope that people could see this was the act of a diseased, sick, kid who used a gun to try to solve an issue. It has nothing to do with politics or human rights, he is a nutjob, plain and simple !

[soberbyker]

Anyone else see this?

"suspect’s mother works for the Pima County Board of Supervisors* the suspect has multiple arrests ... But no criminal record? Intervention by someone?*"

If true then the "he bought the gun legally" would be questionable if there hadn't been political involment on his behalf for past doings.

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/l...as-the-target/
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[PhillyGunslinger]

Maybe this is one instance where the parents could actually be blamed ?

[PocketProtector]

So now democrats and liberals are going to put the blame primarily on Sarah Palin for this tragedy. No matter what you think of the once Alaska Gov. this is not her fault.
How many times have we seen both Dems and Rep. use crosshairs and bullseyes during voting and election time ? There is actually language saying that this tactic should be dealt with punishment now ! Both first and second amendments are now in danger because of some idiot with a point to prove ! There is gonna be some of the most ridiculous and stupid opinions, and proposals you ever heard for the next year .
I just hope that people could see this was the act of a diseased, sick, kid who used a gun to try to solve an issue. It has nothing to do with politics or human rights, he is a nutjob, plain and simple !

The left has already and will shamelessy continue to attempt to spin this as a right wing, talk radio, Sarah Palin follower when he is 180 degrees diametrically opposed. It's Aylinsky to the T. Never let a crisis go unexploited.