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September 19th, 2008, 09:35 PM #1Super Member
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Is a 40 cal stronger then 45?
9MM
1100fps
336ft/lbs Low recoil, large capacity round. Also known as the 9mm Luger,9X19,and the 9 mm Parabellum. This is the standardized NATO round.
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Glock 17 - Glock 19 - Glock 26 - Glock 34 - Glock 17L
357SIG
1350fps
502ft/lbs
Developed by Sig-Sauer, a successful attempt to replicate a 125 Grain .357 Magnum revolver in a automatic pistol.
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Glock 31 - Glock 32 - Glock 33
40S&W
1200fps
496 ft/lbs Introduced in 1990 by Smith & Wesson. Popular "Law Enforcement" round; with a combination of power and high capacity.
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Glock 22 - Glock 23 - Glock 27 - Glock 35 - Glock 24
10MM
1290fps
649ft/lbs Modern Pistol cartridge designed to be a more powerful, flatter shooting automatic cartridge. High energy firearm. Perfect for handgun hunting.
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45ACP
900fps
412ft/lbs Popular "Big Boar"has stood the test of time. This powerful cartridge was designed by the father of modern firearms John Browning in 1904.
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45GAP
950fps
401ft/lbs Developed at the request of Glock to provide a cartridge that would equal the power of the .45 ACP but was shorter to fit in a more compact handgun.
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Re: Is a 40 cal stronger then 45?
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Re: Is a 40 cal stronger then 45?
Glockman 22 did a good job but left out two very important and useful loadings.
9mm +p
such as loaded by Corbon Pow'rBall
excellent 100 grain bullet at 1450 fps and 467 ftlbs of energy.
9mm +P+
such as loaded by Buffalo Bore (available at Cabela's)
They load the proven Speer 115 Gold Dot bullet to 1400 fps and 500 ftlbs of energy. This is 200 fps faster than the Speer civilian loading and yeilds a significant 36 % increase in energy.
All modern 9mm pistols can handle these but you can mostly practice with the cheap mild 9mm ammo.
500 ftlbs in a high capicity pistol is why this Glockman carrys a G19
So there are the numbers make your choice.
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September 20th, 2008, 02:15 AM #5
Re: Is a 40 cal stronger then 45?
I follow the momentum theory, which means that a round is judged by its momentum (mass * velocity) and not its energy (0.5*mass*velocity^2). So the original chart again.
9MM 1100fps 336ft-lbs = .61 lb-ft/sec
357SIG 1350fps 502ft/lbs = .74 lb-ft/sec
40S&W 1200fps 496 ft/lbs = .83 lb-ft/sec
10MM 1290fps 649ft/lbs = 1.01 lb-ft/sec
45ACP 900fps 412ft/lbs = .92 lb-ft/sec
45GAP 950fps 401ft/lbs = .84 lb-ft/sec
That being said all of the above calibers are well suited for personal defense.
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September 20th, 2008, 07:22 AM #6
Re: Is a 40 cal stronger then 45?
all of that information is fine and dandy....
however, one of the major drawbacks of the .40 S&W round is the chamber pressure. its WAY up there compared to the 9mm and the .45 ACP. In fact, its one of the reasons Gaston Glock came up with the .45 GAP - to solve the HUGE pressure differences of the 9mm, 45 ACP and the .40 S&W.
There are way more documented chamber failures with the .40 S&W for a reason. Its a great round, but to my recollection its almost 10K psi more than the 45 or the 9mm."The rifle is the weapon of democracy. If guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns. Only the police, the secret police, the military. The hired servants of our rulers. Only the government-and a few outlaws. I intend to be among the outlaws." (Edward Abbey, "The Right to Arms," Abbey's Road [New York, 1979])
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September 20th, 2008, 08:19 AM #7
Re: Is a 40 cal stronger then 45?
I don't think the statements in bold are true. The .40 and 9mm para run at about the same pressures.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9x19mm_Parabellum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.40_S&W
From what I've read Glock's main reason for the 45 GAP was to have guns with a smaller grip available in 45 caliber. The GAP brass is indeed stronger than 45 ACP brass, but it does run pressures around where 45 ACP +p rounds are.You can never have enough horsepower or ammunition.
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Re: Is a 40 cal stronger then 45?
http://www.chuckhawks.com/ammo_by_anonymous.htm
this is load advice based on actual shootings in each caliberLast edited by ziggy222; September 20th, 2008 at 10:31 AM.
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September 20th, 2008, 06:36 PM #9
Re: Is a 40 cal stronger then 45?
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Re: Is a 40 cal stronger then 45?
If you compare a "high performance" 40SW to a " high performance" 45ACP in the same weight bullets, 4" barrels, you will find that the 40 SW has greater FPE ( foot pounds energy). But this is not the only consideration- type of bullet- ball,jacketed HP, frangible each have there uses and 1 is not best for ALL defensive situations. 9mm-40SW-10mm-45ACP-45GAP all can and will stop an attack, unfortunately all will fail at times. Handgun calibers are there to be with you when you need it, instead of the shotgun in the car. Therefore-practice, practice,practice. ONLY HITS COUNT!!!!
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