AR Pistol/Lower Question

**Whiskey1** · November 15th, 2009, 10:34 PM

What determines if an AR Lower is registered as a pistol?

I recently purchased an AR Lower through an FFL and had to fill out the pistol form also.
The lower has a stock on it, but I want to take the stock off, put an AR Pistol buffer tube on and an AR Pistol Upper (11.5") on it.

Can I legally do this / what's the scoop.

Thanks.

**Chayse** · November 15th, 2009, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Whiskey1

What determines if an AR Lower is registered as a pistol?

I recently purchased an AR Lower through an FFL and had to fill out the pistol form also.
The lower has a stock on it, but I want to take the stock off, put an AR Pistol buffer tube on and an AR Pistol Upper (11.5") on it.

Can I legally do this / what's the scoop.

Thanks.

You bought a rifle lower. filling out the pistol form means nothing if it had a stock on it. You cannot legally remove that stock and use it as a pistol now without filing SBR or other paperwork. You would need a virgin receiver.

**NightRocker** · November 15th, 2009, 10:42 PM

http://forum.pafoa.org/rifles-42/175...pistol-qs.html

**Whiskey1** · November 15th, 2009, 10:50 PM

Does the form differentiate between a rifle or pistol?
I was told it was transfered as a pistol at the FFL.

**MartinBrody** · November 15th, 2009, 11:09 PM

Does the form differentiate between a rifle or pistol?

Look in section E of the state police form, did they check yes or no, and did they fill in the detailed info on the gun in that section like make, model, serial #?

They said they transferred it as a pistol, that might just mean they did the PSP form in addition to the 4473.

**Whiskey1** · November 15th, 2009, 11:21 PM

I'll check tomorrow.
Thanks a lot for the help.

**Chayse** · November 15th, 2009, 11:29 PM

The problem you have is that the lower already had a stock on it when you purchased it, correct? That means, it is a rifle. You cannot legally remove that stock and build it as a pistol. You would need to have a virgin receiver to build it as a pistol. Look at the link posted above and look at the last post from GunLawyer001. That outlines the issue with the statute.

**Pa. Patriot** · November 15th, 2009, 11:31 PM

There is no registration in Pa.

A stripped receiver is a pistol or a rifle depending on how it was assembled initially.

If a dealer had you fill out the SP4-113 when transferring/buying a AR-15 receiver the dealer did so because the dumbasses at PICS are telling dealers to do so... in direct violation of the law (18Pa.C.S.6111)