Bound book question for C&R holders...

[thebearpack]

For those of you with a C&R, do you record every acquisition from the C&R list in the book no matter how you acquire it?

For example, if I buy a Mosin 91/30 from a local Dunham's where they call me in, should I record it in the book anyway? Or is the book strictly for items I purchased using my C&R license? I've been recording everything figuring that if I eventually sell something to a C&R holder out of state I can ship it directly to him/her and treat it like any other disposition. Is that the way you do it?

[pakrazee]

You only need to record items that you have purchased with your C&R, where you gave the person a copy of your C&R. If you sell one of the items in your book, then it must also be recorded to whom you sold it to.

[thebearpack]

OK that part makes sense.

But going back to my example above where I buy the Mosin from Dunham's: I don't record it. I get that. But in the future I decide to sell it to a C&R holder in another state. I know I can ship it directly because of my license so do I just include a copy of my C&R like usual even though it was never in my book?

[pakrazee]

You can but you dont have to, a copy of your drivers license will suffice, so he can put that in his book. You just need to keep his copy of the C&R. An individual can ship a firearm to any FFL, some dont accept it but that is the law, you can ship to him because he is the FFL.

One question though, why would you buy a Mosin from a store when with your C&R you can buy from SOG, AIM or numerous other sources for less money? usually at least.

[thebearpack]

Thanks for the info!

Why would you buy a Mosin from a store when with your C&R you can buy from SOG, AIM or numerous other sources for less money? usually at least.

I definitely shop online first but during their President's Day sale I picked up another all matching round receiver 91/30 for $90 out the door. That's as good as most online places when you factor in shipping, plus I can see it before I buy.

[MartinBrody]

For those of you with a C&R, do you record every acquisition from the C&R list in the book no matter how you acquire it?

For example, if I buy a Mosin 91/30 from a local Dunham's where they call me in, should I record it in the book anyway? Or is the book strictly for items I purchased using my C&R license?

Yes you have to record every C&R transaction, even if you bought it from a gun store and had to fill out a 4473.

You only need to record items that you have purchased with your C&R, where you gave the person a copy of your C&R.

I think this is wrong, what are you basing this on? The rules make no distinction that I can see between whether or not you buy it using your C&R license, only that it be a C&R firearm. It says you "shall enter into a record each receipt and disposition of firearms curios or relics".

[thebearpack]

See that's where I wasn't sure. I've been recording everything but then I started to question why I needed to record an item if I didn't use the license. The only reason I could see was on the disposition end.

Another example would be if I bought a C&R long gun from another PA resident. The license wouldn't be necessary for acquisition but (Martin) you're saying you would record it anyway, correct?

I guess it's better to be safe and continue doing it that way.

[Wiley-X]

I'm not a C&R FFL, I'm an 01 FFL. If I buy something OTC, I don't have to record it in any of my books and I can dispose of it under the laws of my state.

It says you "shall enter into a record each receipt and disposition of firearms curios or relics".

I'm not an ATF Inspector (INAAI?) but I believe that "receipt" in this case only refers to firearms purchased using the C&R FFL.

However, to be sure, contact the Local ATF Compliance office. I have always found them to be most helpful and they can point you to rules, regs, flies, notices and such to clarify points of confusion.

I too am wondering why you bought OTC rather than just give Dunham's your FFL.

[Donpsyd]

I put every C&R firearm purchase in the bound book regardless of where or how I buy it.

[thebearpack]

Seems like opinions are split down the middle. Thanks for the input everybody. Wiley, I think you're right in that a call to the ATF might be in order to clarify.

BTW, Dunham's won't accept the C&R... their policy. It's annoying but every now and then they have a nice piece at a nice price so I deal with it.