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January 6th, 2017, 11:19 PM #1Hokkmike Guest
New wording on Form 4473 means you could lose gun rights by following state law.....
Was at my LGS today. He showed me the newly worded 4473 form. If you use marijuana for a medically approved reason in PA you are disqualified from purchasing a firearm under federal regulations. If you answer "no" to the question as to use and have a prescription (in other words - you lied) the state might find out as prescriptions for legal marijuana use may show up on background checks. people need to realize this before embarking on this course of treatment. here is a quote I found. I don't remember the news source.
"The federal government just doubled down on its efforts to keep guns away from cannabis patients and legal adult-use marijuana consumers.
The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has long had an existing ban on gun sales to anyone who uses marijuana. The ban was upheld in a controversial 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruling in August; a medical marijuana patient in Nevada said the ban violated the Second Amendment, but the 9th Circuit unanimously agreed that pot and other drug use “raises the risk of irrational or unpredictable behavior with which gun use should not be associated.”
More on gun permits and medical marijuana.
Now the ATF is releasing a revised version of Form 4473 — the federal Firearms Transaction Record and considered “ATF’s most important form,” according to an ATF representative — that adds a new warning statement reminding applicants that marijuana is still considered federally illegal despite state laws allowing medical marijuana or recreational use. In other words: The ATF doesn’t want gun sellers or buyers to mistake the increasingly common state-legal cannabis for the nonexistent federally legal marijuana."
Maybe some of you are more up on this than I am. I just found out and wanted to share. Caveat - I haven't and never intend to use marijuana legally or otherwise. I'm just in this for the discussion and examination of the paradox that following what the state deems as legal is still illegal in the eyes of the ATF for gun buying purposes. I am not sure that I don't disagree with them. Anyway, I thought it would make for an interesting discussion.
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January 7th, 2017, 12:13 AM #2
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Looks like I'm going to continue using Lumigan drops for my Glaucoma now.
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January 7th, 2017, 12:20 AM #3
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Looks like I'll continue buying my guns without a background check just like 40% of all gun sales according to a 'study'.
Let's not forget there are still species of tropical penguins living in the Galapagos.
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January 7th, 2017, 01:39 AM #4
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Re: New wording on Form 4473 means you could lose gun rights by following state law..
dont that appy to certain controlled substances like narcotics? hydrocodone and oxycodone? because its similiar to marijuania in the schedule II controlled substance? the cannibus was in illegal form now is in the legal form.
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January 7th, 2017, 03:10 AM #5
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Just because something isn't banned by state law doesn't mean that you can ignore Federal law, or vice-versa. ATF can issue you an FFL for your city apartment, but if local zoning bars that, you can't run your "gun shop" from there. Or Pennsylvania may have no law against making your own spaceship, but the Feds will likely have some issues with it.
The NFA says we can have bombs, if we pre-register them. PA law says we can't. So we can't.Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
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January 7th, 2017, 06:42 AM #6
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Nothing changed - they just clarified the question. Marijuana remains illegal at the Federal level. The ATF Form 4473 is a Federal form - so the questions on the form pertain to Federal law, not state law.
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January 7th, 2017, 08:03 AM #7
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Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
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January 7th, 2017, 08:09 AM #8
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Attorney Phil Kline, AKA gunlawyer001@gmail.com
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January 7th, 2017, 08:30 AM #9
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Re: New wording on Form 4473 means you could lose gun rights by following state law..
Nothing has changed with regard to marijuana. It was illegal at the federal level while the old form was in use and it is still illegal at the federal level with the new form.
2011 ATF Open Letter Addressing Marijuana
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January 7th, 2017, 08:33 AM #10
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