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May 3rd, 2009, 09:50 PM #1
CNN: Obama moves for Nat'l Registration & foreign access to US gun owner database
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...n?iref=24hours
Obama's pushing for passage of the never-ratified (SIFTA?) treaty that Clinton brought back from Mexico in 1997.
Call your congresscritter.Gloria: "65 percent of the people murdered in the last 10 years were killed by hand guns"
Archie Bunker: "would it make you feel better, little girl, if they was pushed outta windows?"
http://www.moviewavs.com/TV_Shows/Al...he_Family.html
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May 3rd, 2009, 10:19 PM #2
Re: CNN: Obama moves for Nat'l Registration & foreign access to US gun owner database
First step to confiscation is registration.
The key is knowing where they are at.
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May 3rd, 2009, 10:23 PM #3
Re: CNN: Obama moves for Nat'l Registration & foreign access to US gun owner database
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."
- Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948
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Re: CNN: Obama moves for Nat'l Registration & foreign access to US gun owner database
Got a non Dobbs link? I tried google news for "Obama gun registration" (minus quotes and got nothing related.
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May 3rd, 2009, 10:39 PM #5
Re: CNN: Obama moves for Nat'l Registration & foreign access to US gun owner database
Do you think Obama saw Red Dawn?
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Re: CNN: Obama moves for Nat'l Registration & foreign access to US gun owner database
That's my line in the sand.................
Where is your's?
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May 3rd, 2009, 10:41 PM #7
Re: CNN: Obama moves for Nat'l Registration & foreign access to US gun owner database
Obama pledges drug, weapons curb
http://www.nfmpolitico.com/khou/2009...-weapons-curb/
April 16th, 2009
By: Politico
MEXICO CITY — Kicking off a four-day trip to Latin America with a stop in the capital of Mexico, President Barack Obama pledged here Thursday that the United States would move aggressively to curb its own drug demand and combat the trafficking of weapons and the streams of cash that gush over the border into Mexico every day.
In a joint appearance with Mexican President Felipe Calderon, Obama announced that he would ask the Senate to ratify a long-stalled inter-American treaty designed to stem the flow of illegal small arms and ammunition across the region. Many of the weapons come from the United States.
“At a time when the Mexican government has so courageously taken on the drug cartels that have plagued both sides of the borders, it is absolutely critical that the United States joins as a full partner in dealing with this issue,” Obama said during a welcoming ceremony at the Mexican presidential residence, Los Pinos.
“My country is immersed in a historic transformation process,” Calderon said. “We’re also facing firmly the costs of the struggles in order to turn Mexico into a safer country.”
Spotting a group of Mexican children waving flags, Obama said the point of his efforts was to fight “for their dreams, for their opportunities, for their futures.” The president drew screeches of delight from schoolgirls as he walked by while reviewing troops alongside Calderon, and he stopped to shake their hands.
Obama’s visit to Mexico comes as U.S. officials have grown increasingly concerned about the high levels of drug-fueled violence just over the 1,970-mile border, particularly in cities such as Juarez and Tijuana, which are major destinations for American day trippers. Equally alarming are the high levels of corruption that have long plagued Mexican security forces.
Obama and Calderón held a one-on-one discussion Thursday afternoon that touched on a range of issues, including trade and the environment. But it was drugs, weapons and violence that topped the agenda, driven by the 10,000 people who have been killed in drug violence in Mexico in the past two years.
Underscoring the depths of the problem, Obama’s arrival coincided with news that 16 people were killed Wednesday in a shootout between Mexican soldiers and suspected drug traffickers in the southern state of Guerrero, home of the famous beach resort of Acapulco.
“The government, its politicians, police and judicial infrastructure are all under sustained assault and press[ed] by criminal gangs and drug cartels,” said a recent report on global security threats by the U.S. Joint Forces Command. “How that internal conflict turns out over the next several years will have a major impact on the stability of the Mexican state.”
Obama said that U.S. demand fuels the drug trafficking that plagues communities on both sides of the border, and he vowed that the United States would work harder to reduce drug use among its citizens. He announced that, in addition to the appointment of a new border czar and tough new financial penalties against three Mexican drug cartels, he would push the U.S. Senate to approve a long-delayed inter-American treaty to curb regional weapons trafficking.
The treaty, known by its Spanish acronym, SIFTA, was signed by the United States in 1997 but not ratified by Congress, and its passage these days is equally problematic.
The National Rifle Association immediately blasted the treaty and vowed to continue lobbying against its passage.
“The treaty does include language suggesting that it is not intended to restrict ‘lawful ownership and use’ of firearms,” read the NRA statement by Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and NRA chief lobbyist Chris Cox. “Despite those words, the NRA knows that anti-gun advocates will still try to use this treaty to attack gun ownership in the U.S. Therefore, the NRA will continue to vigorously oppose any international effort to restrict the constitutional rights of law-abiding American gun owners.”
Jeffrey Davidow, a former U.S. ambassador to Mexico, recently cautioned during a recent Council on Foreign Relations forum that the treaty’s importance should not be overestimated.
“Not that it is not important,” Davidow said, “but what is more important is implementation of our own laws relating to guns. And I think the administration has made it absolutely clear that this is a top priority.”
Obama also announced a U.S.-Mexico agreement on a plan to collaborate on energy and climate change issues.
The so-called U.S.-Mexico Bilateral Framework on Clean Energy and Climate Change is a template that the two countries can work from to move toward clean energy economies.
The “framework” includes guidelines for exchanging information, such as studies and pending projects, between government officials and other methods of cooperation between the United States and Mexico, the White House said.
These efforts will focus on renewable energy, forestry and land use, green jobs and other initiatives toward energy efficiency, according to the White House.
It is also intended to strengthen cross-border electricity grids and the buying and selling of oil or electricity across border states.
The two leaders also committed to developing strategies to reduce vehicle emissions.
Obama got most animated when answering a question about immigration. He pointed his finger and gestured with both of his hands, sending flashbulbs and shutters flickering.
Obama acknowledged that there are some legitimate concerns, including that illegal immigrants driving down American workers’ wages.
Mentioning the failure of immigration reform in 2007, Obama said, “My goal is to remove the politics of this,” and take a “practical approach.”
On another matter, Obama said his new policy lifting restrictions on travel and remittances to the island for Cuban-Americans was “a first step” and “a good faith effort,” adding that “a relationship that has been frozen for nearly 50 years isn’t going to thaw overnight.”
Calderon reiterated his support for the changes, noting that “Mexico is a good friend of Cuba and Mexico is a good friend of the United States.”"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."
- Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948
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May 3rd, 2009, 10:43 PM #8
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May 3rd, 2009, 10:43 PM #9
Re: CNN: Obama moves for Nat'l Registration & foreign access to US gun owner database
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...041602694.html
For Obama, Calderón, a Meeting of Minds
Leaders Disagree on One Issue: Urgency of Reinstating U.S. Ban on Assault Weapons
By Scott Wilson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, April 17, 2009
MEXICO CITY, April 16 -- President Obama and his Mexican counterpart, Felipe Calderón, outlined a common approach Thursday to combating drug violence, climate change and trade disputes but appeared to part ways over the urgency of reinstating a U.S. ban on assault weapons.
On his first presidential visit to Mexico, Obama praised Calderón for taking on the drug cartels, whose potent arsenals and economic power are threatening the integrity of the Mexican state. Obama announced that he will push the U.S. Senate to ratify an inter-American arms-trafficking treaty.
But Obama indicated that while he favors reinstating the U.S. ban on assault weapons, which Congress allowed to expire five years ago, the move would face too much political opposition to happen soon. He said better enforcing existing laws to prevent arms smuggling would have a more immediate effect on keeping U.S. weapons from Mexican cartels.
"I continue to believe that we can respect and honor the Second Amendment rights in our Constitution, the rights of sportsmen and hunters and homeowners who want to keep their families safe to lawfully bear arms, while dealing with assault weapons that, as we know, here in Mexico, are helping to fuel extraordinary violence," he said in a news conference with Calderón at Los Pinos, the presidential compound. "Now, having said that, I think none of us are under the illusion that reinstating that ban would be easy."
Calderón said drug violence has soared since the assault weapons ban expired. He said he favors a solution "respecting the constitutional rights of the Americans [that] at the same time will prevent, or rather avoid, that organized crime becomes better organized in our country."
"But crime is not only acting in Mexico," he said. "It is also acting in the United States. Organized crime is acting in both countries."
Obama's visit, the first by a U.S. president to the capital since a Bill Clinton stop in 1997, represents a show of support for Calderón, who two years ago became the first Mexican president to fully deploy the army against drug cartels that supply a lucrative U.S. market.
Since then, more than 10,000 people have died in drug-related violence. The Bush administration won approval of a three-year, $1.4 billion counternarcotics package for Mexico and some Central American countries last June, but the military hardware has been slow in arriving. Obama pledged to expedite its delivery.
The two men expressed confidence they would resolve a trade dispute originating in a vote last month by the U.S. Congress to cancel a pilot program allowing Mexican truckers on U.S. highways, as permitted by the North American Free Trade Agreement. They emphasized the need for comprehensive immigration reform, although Obama did not say when he intended to push such legislation in Congress.
And they announced a new partnership to promote clean energy and reduce greenhouse gases in both countries by sharing academic research and promoting alternative energy sources such as wind and solar power along the border, among other measures.
But the drug violence dominated their public appearance on a day when the Mexican military engaged in a firefight with suspected drug traffickers in the southern state of Guerrero. The battle left 15 smugglers and one soldier dead, and the military said it confiscated assault rifles and grenades in the aftermath.
Obama said more than 90 percent of weapons seized by Mexican authorities have come from the United States. In the days leading up to the president's visit here, senior Obama administration officials said the government was focused on enforcing existing U.S. laws to stop arms smuggling, although Mexican officials had called for more help.
Obama's announcement on the treaty -- formally known as the Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives and Other Related Materials -- marks an additional step.
The Clinton administration signed the treaty, better known by its Spanish acronym CIFTA, after the Organization of American States adopted it in 1997.
A senior Obama administration official said that "stemming the number of illegal firearms which flow into Latin America and the Caribbean is a high priority for the region and addresses a key hemispheric concern relating to people's personal security and well-being."
In all, 33 countries in the hemisphere have signed the treaty. The United States is one of four nations that have yet to ratify the convention, although Obama administration officials say the U.S. government has sought to abide by its spirit for years. The treaty was sent to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1998, but no action has been taken since then.
The treaty requires countries to take steps to reduce the illegal manufacture and trade in guns, ammunition and explosives. It also calls for countries to adopt strict licensing requirements, mark firearms when they are made and imported to make them easier to trace, and establish a process for sharing information between national law enforcement agencies investigating smuggling.
Denis McDonough, director for strategic communications at the National Security Council, said the convention is on a list of treaties that the administration has submitted to Congress that it considers priorities. Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.), chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, said in a statement, "I support the convention and plan to work for its approval by the Senate."
Johanna Mendelson Forman, senior associate of the Americas Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said, "This goes beyond symbolism."
"It sends not only a positive message to Mexico but also to the region that the United States wants to be a reliable partner in improving security," she said.
Correspondent William Booth in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, contributed to this report."The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."
- Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948
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May 3rd, 2009, 10:49 PM #10
Re: CNN: Obama moves for Nat'l Registration & foreign access to US gun owner database
What gun?
I'm sorry but I am serious, what gun?
Them:"Do you own a gun?"
Me:"Fuck off"
Exact response they shall, and WILL get.
It's NONE of their fucking business what I own, they DON'T own it, I DO.
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