U.S. placed under international police-state

[JIDinPhilly]

In the dead of night on December 17, 2009, President Barack Hussein Obama placed the United States of America under the authority of the international police organization known as INTERPOL, granting the organization full immunity to operate within the United States.

According to Threatswatch:
Last Thursday, December 17, 2009, The White House released an Executive Order "Amending Executive Order 12425." It grants INTERPOL (International Criminal Police Organization) a new level of full diplomatic immunity afforded to foreign embassies and select other "International Organizations" as set forth in the United States International Organizations Immunities Act of 1945.
By removing language from President Reagan's 1983 Executive Order 12425, this international law enforcement body now operates - now operates - on American soil beyond the reach of our own top law enforcement arm, the FBI, and is immune from Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) requests.

What, exactly does this mean? It means that INTERPOL now has the full authority to conduct investigations and other law enforcement activities on U.S. soil, with full immunity from U.S. laws such as the Freedom of Information Act and with complete independence from oversight from the FBI.
In short, a global law enforcement entity now has full law-enforcement authority in the U.S. without any check on its power afforded by U.S. law and U.S. law enforcement agencies.

http://www.examiner.com/x-3704-Colum...al-policestate


This is from the White House web site....

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...ve-order-12425

The White House

Office of the Press Secretary

For Immediate Release December 17, 2009
Executive Order -- Amending Executive Order 12425

EXECUTIVE ORDER
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AMENDING EXECUTIVE ORDER 12425 DESIGNATING INTERPOL
AS A PUBLIC INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION ENTITLED TO
ENJOY CERTAIN PRIVILEGES, EXEMPTIONS, AND IMMUNITIES

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (22 U.S.C. 288), and in order to extend the appropriate privileges, exemptions, and immunities to the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL), it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983, as amended, is further amended by deleting from the first sentence the words "except those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act" and the semicolon that immediately precedes them.

BARACK OBAMA

THE WHITE HOUSE,
December 16, 2009.

[RJT]

OK, I'm redacting my original post, see Morel42's quote of me if you want to see it, it was wrong, misinformed, etc and I'm now correcting it...

Basically President Obama has just granted INTERPOL:

a diplomatic pouch (official organization related luggage immune from search) and Embassy style property rights regarding search and seizure (both section 2c)

immunity from capital gains (wtf?), social security, property (wtf?) taxes and any taxes due upon anything they bring into the country (umm, what exactly are they importing?)

What the hell is all that needed for? And what does ANY of that have to do with the function of INTERPOL?

Note: see below for the text of what this Executive Order grants INTERPOL

[Morel42]

While I agree that the wording is absurbly vague. However read http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/22/7/XVIII to get a good idea about the context of the impact. The European bank provisions I found particulary interesting.. /sigh

Guys.. Interpol is an information clearning house.. It has almost no arrest powers in any of the countries that it operates in. In fact it's prohibited by law in almost every country it operates in to do anything but assist in information, research, and database management.

It's a way for hundreds of countries to structure vast and chaotic databases into a universal standard that any member country has access too. It's a logical solution to problems in a much smaller world.

But like any power it can and has been abused.. It's par for the course.

Oh, did I mention that the United States has been and is currently a Member of INTERPOL? However the United States is still one of the very few that does not allow full access to internal databases other the a glorified background check without having to contact The U.S. National Central Bureau (USNCB) of INTERPOL which is the American branch of INTERPOL.

Which of course I totally support whole heartedly..

Honestly, the FBI / CIA will still guard their turf like they always have.. Interpol doesn't want to get involved in actual apprehension of people due to the cost of having such operations going on, other then in very unique situations..

FYI.. The Pope, the Red Cross, The African Confederation and other things share the same catagory of immunity.. All of which have been sued in American Court's in recent years..

This isn't diplomatic immunity, this isn't giving them arrest powers, or even authority to conduct independant investigations on American citizens without explicit US government involvement and approval.

Is it a worriesome addition to an already F'd up statute? Yes... But argue bout the facts and the real problems with it.. I've had it up to hear with the "the EU is going to take over!" hysteria.. It's paper goodwill crap...

The EU is having enough problems of it's own.. lol

I'm not defending it.. I just wish people would actually understand the issues that have potential negative outcomes before sounding the horns of liberty and stressing about a blue hat taking away their kids and dog..

Or I could just be cranky from Post Sucky Christmas fever.. lol

[Morel42]

WTF!?!

I seriously thought this was a late night joke until I read it (side note, thanks for the White House link to back it up)

Isn't THAT just great to hear....because that's JUST what we need is a bunch of Euroweenie cops coming to America to "forget" about American civil liberties and lets just give them immunity while we're at it...

Is it REALLY that hard for INTERPOL to contact the FBI and say "hey, we need you to help us out on so and so, here's what we have so far"?

There are no fucking "European" COPS. They're the DMV of police forces who decided to have one shared database instead of 180, and they Basically do exactly what you describe. An inquiry is made from an INTERPOL source, if it's a lowlevel backgroun Search like the cops will run on you it usually gets handled automatically.. If it's a full fledge investigation they Must. Show. CAUSE. Since Member states laws cannot be ignored or nullified by any INTERPOL agency.. At least in spirit and after WW2 and it's reorganization..

All Intelligence agencies bend and break rules on a daily basis... It's just part of the rule book. Hell, we can bearly get the FBI and CIA to work together. You really think that the FBI is going to hand over a file they don't want to? The CIA? ATF?

No. They're not.. Sometimes with negative results.. But thats what happens.. <shrug>

[wa3ra]

Uhhhh, INTERPOL is effectively a data clearing house, and there are no 'interpol' agents;that is TV and movie fantasy.

What we did was RENEW our membership in the organization, as we've done every few years since 1923. Our NCIS database is now accessible through the ICIS database by member drepartments.

This has been a tin-foil moment brought to you by Reynold's Wrap.

[Morel42]

Uhhhh, INTERPOL is effectively a data clearing house, and there are no 'interpol' agents;that is TV and movie fantasy.

What we did was RENEW our membership in the organization, as we've done every few years since 1923. Our NCIS database is now accessible through the ICIS database by member drepartments.

This has been a tin-foil moment brought to you by Reynold's Wrap.

I really hate to tell you this.. NCIS isn't that special anymore as far as information goes.. They have to have a legitimate name to start with. If they have your real name and they want you bad enough.. They'll find you..

Besides.. Who needs NCIS. I'd be willing to bet I could get detailed information including home address, phone, doctor, employeer, how much your house cost, how much you paid for it, how much you pay in taxes, your entire criminal record and alot more in about 15 minutes of research by using public records that are 100% free and available to anyone.

And I can start my search by one single posting on this or any message board..

The only difference is how much of an online presence you have.. All you need is one website to give you that tiny bit of useful information and It's easy from there..

Still.. 5 out of 10 would be my guess.

[RJT]

Guys.. Interpol is an information clearning house.. It has almost no arrest powers in any of the countries that it operates in. In fact it's prohibited by law in almost every country it operates in to do anything but assist in information, research, and database management.

It's a way for hundreds of countries to structure vast and chaotic databases into a universal standard that any member country has access too. It's a logical solution to problems in a much smaller world.


Oh, did I mention that the United States has been and is currently a Member of INTERPOL? However the United States is still one of the very few that does not allow full access to internal databases other the a glorified background check without having to contact The U.S. National Central Bureau (USNCB) of INTERPOL which is the American branch of INTERPOL.

This isn't diplomatic immunity, this isn't giving them arrest powers, or even authority to conduct independant investigations on American citizens without explicit US government involvement and approval.

I've had it up to hear here? sorry couldn't resist with the "the EU is going to take over!" hysteria.. It's paper goodwill crap...

I'm not defending it.. I just wish people would actually understand the issues that have potential negative outcomes before sounding the horns of liberty and stressing about a blue hat taking away their kids and dog..

Or I could just be cranky from Post Sucky Christmas fever.. lol

Was unaware of that, thanks, guess I've seen too many movies

Yes, I know the US has been a member of INTERPOL, and I still think there's no harm in making them go through DC for their information, if we have to abide by the alphabet soup down there why can't the rest of the world?

I admit, I should have read Reagan's EO first, I thought about it but was feeling too tired...not anymore lol. I'm digging into that now.

There are no fucking "European" COPS. They're the DMV of police forces who decided to have one shared database instead of 180, and they Basically do exactly what you describe. An inquiry is made from an INTERPOL source, if it's a lowlevel backgroun Search like the cops will run on you it usually gets handled automatically.. If it's a full fledge investigation they Must. Show. CAUSE. Since Member states laws cannot be ignored or nullified by any INTERPOL agency.. At least in spirit and after WW2 and it's reorganization..

Damn I musta touched a nerve lol...If my impression on the purpose of INTERPOL was wrong then I stand corrected, that was just my gut reaction to seeing that certain powers had just been granted to an international police organization (and yes, I'm looking to see what exemptions Obama just removed before you ask)

What we did was RENEW our membership in the organization, as we've done every few years since 1923. Our NCIS database is now accessible through the ICIS database by member drepartments.

This has been a tin-foil moment brought to you by Reynold's Wrap.

Actually this has nothing to do with renewing out membership in INTERPOL, take time to read the EO please.

I've heard of NCIS from the tv show (Navy version of CSI and yes they do actually exist in the navy) and googling "ncis database" brought up a reference to the "National Coroners Information System" but I don't see why INTERPOL needs special direct access to either of those...Or do you have some other alphabet soup agency in mind?

I like my tinfoil, it's shiny

[RJT]

Ok, I looked up the International Organizations Immunities Act of 1945 to which this Executive Order applies....which can be found easily by google, or by going here

Obama has removed the following limitations on INTERPOL:

2c Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable.

3 Pursuant to regulations prescribed by the Commissioner of Customs with the approval of the Secretary of the Treasury, the baggage and effects of alien officers and employees of international organizations, or of aliens designated by foreign governments to serve as their representatives in or to such organizations, or of the families, suites, and servants of such officers, employees, or representatives shall be admitted (when imported in connection with the arrival of the owner) free of customs duties and free of internal-revenue taxes imposed upon or by reason of importation.

4 (C) INCOME OF FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS AND OF INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS.—The income of foreign governments or international organizations received from investments in the United States in stocks, bonds, or other domestic securities, owned by such foreign governments or by international organizations, or from interest on deposits in banks in the United States of moneys belonging to such foreign governments or international organizations, or from any other source within the United States.

4 is too long to fully insert, go read the source I listed

5 No tax shall be collected under title VIII or IX of the Social Security Act or under the Federal Insurance Contributions Act or the Federal Unemployment Tax Act, with respect to services rendered prior to January 1, 1946, which are described in paragraph (16) of sections 1426 (b) and 1607 (c) of the Internal Revenue Code, as amended, and any such tax heretofore collected (including penalty and interest with respect thereto, if any) shall be refunded in accordance with the provisions of law applicable in the case of erroneous or illegal collection of the tax. No interest shall be allowed or paid on the amount of any such refund. No payment shall be made under title II of the Social Security Act with respect to services rendered prior to January 1, 1946, which are described in paragraph (16) of section 209 (b) of such Act, as amended.

6 International organizations shall be exempt from all property taxes imposed by, or under the authority of, any Act of Congress, including such Acts as are applicable solely to the District of Columbia or the Territories.

[son of the revolution]

Was unaware of that, thanks, guess I've seen too many movies

Yes, I know the US has been a member of INTERPOL, and I still think there's no harm in making them go through DC for their information, if we have to abide by the alphabet soup down there why can't the rest of the world?

I admit, I should have read Reagan's EO first, I thought about it but was feeling too tired...not anymore lol. I'm digging into that now.



Damn I musta touched a nerve lol...If my impression on the purpose of INTERPOL was wrong then I stand corrected, that was just my gut reaction to seeing that certain powers had just been granted to an international police organization (and yes, I'm looking to see what exemptions Obama just removed before you ask)



Actually this has nothing to do with renewing out membership in INTERPOL, take time to read the EO please.

I've heard of NCIS from the tv show (Navy version of CSI and yes they do actually exist in the navy) and googling "ncis database" brought up a reference to the "National Coroners Information System" but I don't see why INTERPOL needs special direct access to either of those...Or do you have some other alphabet soup agency in mind?

I like my tinfoil, it's shiny

Bolded by me , yes your right the Naval Criminal Investigative Service does exist , but thats not what the other poster was talking about , just got his acronyms jumbled . The criminal database in the US that everyone is referring to is the NCIC! National Criminal Information Center. That last little change in the word/letter makes all the difference in the world

[King 5.45]

Poor Soberbyker will be so disappointed now. No Emma Peel in jackboots wringing a confession out of him. Tsk, tsk, tsk ...