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    Default (BATFE) "Am I an Enemy of the US Government?"

    I came across this article in a thread over at AR15.com

    I suggest everyone read it and save it for reference. It's quite disturbing, and any AR/AK/HK rifle owner may never know if they may some day need to refer to this some day.

    http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2005/0...stitution.html

    by Len Savage

    Prior to July 7, 2003, I would never have asked myself that question. Now I
    find myself reflecting back to that day when I ponder, "How in the world did
    this mess get started?".

    I am a Federally licensed firearms manufacturer. As a responsible member of
    my industry I always worked closely with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
    Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). I had always encountered good people at
    the local Atlanta field office. Very professional, very prompt, and yes even
    courteous.

    As a manufacturer I am not required to submit any sample to ATF for review.
    I submit samples to be completely open and transparent, and most of all, to
    verify compliance with all federal laws. I do not ever wish to make or sell an
    illegal product.

    On July 7th, 2003, I called Sterling Nixon, Chief of the ATF Firearms
    Technology Branch (FTB), to ask the status of a classification of one of my
    company's products. To my shock, this guy acted like a hot head. He
    immediately told me about being too busy to deal with a "nobody" and hung
    up.

    I had spoken with his boss on a previous occasion, and still had his number. I
    called him and asked, "What's with the new guy (Sterling Nixon)? Mr. Nixon
    called me a short time later and warned me to never ever go "over his head"
    again. He clearly explained that criminal cases always take precedence over
    submission samples at FTB, and FTB was very busy dealing with some federal
    cases. He went to say FTB serves every single Federal Court by classifying
    firearm-related evidence as firearm, machine gun, short barrel rifle, etc.

    I eventually received my classification letter on the product from the FTB
    about a month later. However, the letter was an obvious "cut and paste" job
    from a previous letter that ATF had sent to my company and was full of errors
    (as it described a different rifle). I promptly notified the FTB of those errors. I
    was again told because of the high load of criminal cases that their mistake on
    my submission must have "fallen through the cracks." I was asked to make
    corrections in the margin and fax it to FTB so they could write a revised
    classification letter. I did so. Later I received a revised letter -- that I had
    essentially written myself.

    I became very concerned with other errors the ATF/FTB was making on
    submitted samples. How many innocent people may have had their evidence in
    criminal cases "fall through the cracks" if FTB was under a large caseload?
    Would the agency take short cuts with submitted product samples or worse,
    with evidence in criminal trials?

    I was soon to find out. The situation was worse than I -- or anyone -- could
    have imagined.

    Among other things, I was more than a little curious as to how ATF/FTB
    conducted examinations on firearms used as evidence in Federal Court.
    Around this time, I was asked by defense attorney Monroe Whitesides, Esq.
    to examine a rifle the FTB had declared to be a machine gun in the case of US
    v Glover. Mr. Whitesides received permission to document the tests and my
    examination of the rifle in question, which we did using videotape. Only later
    would we understand how important that video was to be.

    The day of the test came and it revealed that Mr. Glover, the defendant, had
    indeed "fallen through the cracks" at FTB. And that's describing the situation
    charitably. Firing tests and my examination of the rifle's mechanisms showed
    that the firearm was not an "illegal machine gun" at all, but a malfunctioning
    semiautomatic. Any expert who disassembled the rifle would have immediately
    discovered this. The FTB's "expert" admitted on tape that he had never
    examined the rifle's inner workings, and yet he and his agency were willing,
    even eager, to turn the rifle's owner into a felon! The video document
    prevented an innocent citizen from being imprisoned.

    I shared my growing concerns with ATF during conference calls with both
    ATF management, and FTB management. I was knocked speechless one day
    (and brother that is HARD to do), by the revelation of both the Chief and the
    Assistant Chief of FTB that no documented procedures ever existed for
    testing firearms! They went on to tell me they design the test of a
    submitted "evidence" on a case by case basis. In other words, they
    make procedures up as they go along. (And many of those procedures, as
    we shall see below and as I have written elsewhere, are simply outrageous.)
    The lack of documented scientific procedure has been confirmed by
    Congressional Research Service investigation. There is no documented
    scientific testing procedures for firearms evidence in Federal Court!

    The firearms "experts" from FTB will look official testifying in court in their
    three-piece suits. They will have impressive titles. They will sound technically
    knowledgeable. In short they will carry great influence with judges and a jury
    (after all they are from the government). I have seen it first hand, it IS
    impressive.

    But it is simply an illusion. Nothing but smoke and mirrors.

    With no testing standard, no use of scientific method, what is to keep
    ATF agents from modifying the firearm, then declaring a legal
    semiautomatic to be "readily restorable" to the status of "illegal
    machine gun"? In fact, they have done this.

    I have also seen an "expert" declare -- with a straight face -- that a
    lump of steel that is incapable of firing anything is a machinegun
    because of unspecified "machinegun features and characteristics."

    FTB "experts" have even added external and internal conversion devices to
    legal semi-auto rifles during testing, then claimed that that the firearm was --
    because of these ATF additions -- an "illegal machine gun." (The ATF-added
    devices are by law machineguns in and of themselves, because they when
    installed, allow a host firearm to fire full auto as a machinegun.) ATF "experts"
    have done this in full view of the entire court! In the case of US v Wrenn, for
    instance (another case in which I acted as an expert for the defense) FTB
    personnel did not take their conversion devices off prior to coming to trial.

    Apparently I had enraged the ATF so greatly by the time of the Wrenn case
    that a few months later the agency declared one of my company's products to
    be "illegal contraband" and a "machinegun." The ATF had classified this device
    as a "non firearm" nine months earlier. I had been in production for months
    after receiving the "non-firearm" classification. Now suddenly -- for no reason
    other than spite -- my product was illegal. My investment was wasted. I was in
    jeopardy of becoming a criminal. Had I sold the device to any customers, they
    also would have been in danger of being declared felons.

    The re-classification was obviously done to teach me a lesson for showing up
    at court cases

    With my living and my freedom in jeopardy, I felt compelled to notify the
    United States Federal District Court of ATF malfeasance and to notify the
    Department of Justice, as well. This harassment of me and my livelihood is
    unacceptable behavior on the part of ANY federal agency.

    Unfortunately, the result of my protest was predictable: The Department of
    Justice (of which the ATF is a subsidiary) claimed to have investigated itself. It
    found itself faultless.

    Years after I first began asking questions, the FTB still does not have a
    documented firearms testing procedure. Today, defense attorneys use the
    Congressional Research Service report to demonstrate the ATF's lack of
    credibility. And -- no surprise -- prosecution of "mystery machinegun" crimes
    have dropped drastically. This is a good thing for justice. For years, too many
    innocent people were railroaded into prison.

    Unfortunately my own circumstances are less bright. The ATF has forbidden
    me to contact it in any way other that written correspondence. This puts me at
    a disadvantage to all my competitors, who may still freely call the agency to
    ask questions. But that's not the worst. The agency has managed to "lose"
    many of my letters. They have not seen fit to answer some of my
    correspondence for 14 months. I am for all purposes shut down by the US
    Government. They have done this by bureaucratic fiat and bad faith. They
    have shut down my business and destroyed my livelihood without cause or
    court order, without the due process allegedly guaranteed by that same
    government.

    Am I now an enemy of United States Government?

    Len Savage

    President,
    Historic Arms LLC

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    Default Re: (BATFE) "Am I an Enemy of the US Government?"

    I read about Mr. Savage on subguns.com a few years ago.

    There is no doubt that the gubment is self serving and will do anything it can to keep itself in power.

    From the head of the BATFE lieing on video tape about the NFRTR (sp?) and now with thier machine gun shenanigans.

    The IRS and the BATFE are the WORST that the gubment has to offer. They seek to ruin your life with the full weight and endless resources of the federal gubment.

    Our 200 year expirment is gonna end soon. With a bang, unfortunately.

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    Default Re: (BATFE) "Am I an Enemy of the US Government?"

    They weren't referred to as " Jack Booted Thugs " a while back just to be mean you know........
    " The Seeds of Oppression Will One Day Bear The Fruit of Rebellion."

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    Default Re: (BATFE) "Am I an Enemy of the US Government?"

    Doesn't do a whole lot for a lowly citizen's confidence does it
    Chris - P95
    NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member.
    "To own a gun and assume that you are armed
    is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."

    CombatCarry.com CCW forum

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