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August 4th, 2022, 12:03 PM #21Active Member
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Re: Can Game Wardens Hang Trail Cameras on Your Private Property?
This is not altogether true.
The US Coast Guard can board a boat and search it anytime they want based on maritime law.
There is always an argument on another forum that I frequent on the subject.
The USCG is polite & they ask if they can board, but you cannot stop them.
Even if the boat is large enough to sleep, eat and live in, the 4th does not apply.
They can walk into you vessel and search in common and open spaces along with the bilge.
Usually this is called a " Safety Inspection "
They sometimes have a tag-a-long local cop or water cop on their boat as well so if you might have a weapon in a state like NJ or MD, you may have a problem depending on how it is stowed.God Bless the American Armed Forces, Thank You All.
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August 4th, 2022, 01:15 PM #22
Re: Can Game Wardens Hang Trail Cameras on Your Private Property?
The problem is that 'THE PEOPLE' have for far too long acceded their Rights to various government agencies on the basis that these agencies have the 'good intentions' of peace, safety and keeping life fair for all citizens. They claim to be only enforcing the laws which were created 'for the common good'.
However, the fact is that the government has always sought power over THE PEOPLE, especially because the Constitution clearly claims the reverse is true.
There is no 'common good' that comes from violating the Rights of THE PEOPLE.
The Fantasy of Peace & Safety!
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August 4th, 2022, 09:03 PM #23Grand Member
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Re: Can Game Wardens Hang Trail Cameras on Your Private Property?
Easy fix…call the po-leece and report unknown trespassers with guns on your property. Then walk outside on your deck with your double barrel shotgun and blast two in the air
/sarcasm
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August 4th, 2022, 09:46 PM #24
Re: Can Game Wardens Hang Trail Cameras on Your Private Property?
In the middle 70s through the early 80s I was close friends with a PGC District Land Manager, and by association knew the local District Game Protector. This was when the Ross Leffler School of Conservation was still open outside of Brookville, PA and turning out new Game Protectors and Land Managers.
My DLM friend and I used to shoot competitively, and we and our wives frequently visited, and we'd watch their kids when they went out.
The PA warrantless search statutes that seem to bother the "but muh freedoms!" members here were in place for decades by 1980. I can attest that the DLM and DGP to which I refer did not abuse that legislation; they were trained to respect the statutes and act only when in possession of a preponderance of evidence. I guess we were fortunate in that county, and I'm sure not all counties had such well-reasoned, fair, and respectful PGC LEOs.
That said, I cannot comment on the present day PGC law enforcement personnel, whatever they are called. I have to assume that there are good and bad PGC LEOs. But I do not hear stories of frequent warrantless searches by PGC LE personnel, and I would because it's a small county with small towns where everyone knows each other and many hunt.
NoahWisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times.
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August 4th, 2022, 11:38 PM #25
Re: Can Game Wardens Hang Trail Cameras on Your Private Property?
I am often amazed at the minimization made of the damage done to our Republic when the Rights of citizens are clearly violated with the approval of the government - or when those potential violations are ensconced in law. These constitutional violations (or creation of unconstitutional laws) are often for the convenience of law enforcement, making it easier to catch perpetrators (of this law or that).
The old adage has been turned on it's head... it is NOW better that some innocent citizens have their Rights violated, than that law enforcement should need to use extra effort to constitutionally find and apprehend one perp.
While I'm glad that some LEOs, some where, showed restraint in not using the unconstitutional powers they were granted, that, by no means, mitigates the unconstitutional nature of the laws that allow those actions. And it matters not that such approval for unconstitutional actions has been on the books for a LONG TIME (while only abused a little) - it is still inappropriate approval of Violating the Rights of THE PEOPLE.
I'll quote my own sig line - because this example is so illustrative of other such laws and attitudes:
FREEDOM dripped from the leaky barrel and when we thirsted, there was NONE.
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August 5th, 2022, 05:22 AM #26
Re: Can Game Wardens Hang Trail Cameras on Your Private Property?
I found a trail camera on my own property, and as I was handling my rifle the butt of it accidently smashed it all up. Or, as I was going around painting marks on some trees I planned to cut, there was this object that looked like a trail camera that got painted over. I really should have been more careful.
Relationships between men and women can be difficult - but not impossible.
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August 5th, 2022, 05:39 AM #27Active Member
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Re: Can Game Wardens Hang Trail Cameras on Your Private Property?
In the case of the US Coast Guard, The majority of the boating/fishing community feel it is OK.
They do not see it as a violation of rights, or they say, yeah it's a violation but I'm OK with it because I am doing nothing wrong.
Those that disagree are making waves because, after all, It's a SAFETY CHECK.
These people are OK with it because it makes THEM safer out there from the nit wits that bought a boat.
Like what you call a FUD, I think.
The Search And Rescue arm of the USCG is to be respected and applauded but the warrantless safety check training exercises should not be allowed.God Bless the American Armed Forces, Thank You All.
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August 5th, 2022, 05:44 AM #28
Re: Can Game Wardens Hang Trail Cameras on Your Private Property?
Relationships between men and women can be difficult - but not impossible.
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August 5th, 2022, 05:45 AM #29
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