The Ultimate Job

[sgser]

Worth thinking about?

John Glenn said...

John Glenn said this which should make you think a little:

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.
That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.


When some claim that President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, state the following:

a. FDR led us into World War II.

b. Germany never attacked us ; Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 l ives were lost ..
an average of 112,500 per year.


c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea
North Korea never attacked us .
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ..
an average of 18,334 per year.

d. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.

e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ..
an average of 5,800 per year.

f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us .
He was offered Os ama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on
multiple occasions.

g. In the years since terrorist s attacked us , President Bush
has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and, North Korea
without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who
slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.< /B>

The Democrats are complaining
about how long the war is taking.


But Wait

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno
to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation..


We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons
in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find
the Rose Law Firm billing records.


It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the
Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his
Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB !
The Military morale is high!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant
to realize the facts


But Wait

There's more!


JOHN GLENN (on the Senate floor - January 26, 2004)

Some people still don't understand why military personnel
do what they do for a living. This exchange between
Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum
is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech,
but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men
and women in the armed services do what they do for a living.

This IS a typical, though sad, example of what
some who have never served think of the military.

Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):
"How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?"

Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
"I served 23 years in the United StatesMarine Corps.
I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.
My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions.
I was in the space program.
It wasn't my checkbook, Howard;
it was my life on the line.
It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off
to take the daily cash receipts to the bank."

"I ask you to go with me .. . as I went the other day...
to a veteran's hospital and look those men ...
with their mangled bodies . Look them in the eye,
and tell THEM they didn't hold a job!

You go with me to the Space Program at NASA
and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans
of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...
and you look those kids in the eye and tell them
that their DADS didn't hold a job.

You go with me on Memorial Day
and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery,
where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember,
and you watch those waving flags.

You stand there, and you think about this nation,
and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job?

What about you?"
For those who don't remember
During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney
representing the Communist Party in the US A .

Now he's a Senator!
If you can read this, thank a teacher.
If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran.

It might not be a bad idea to keep this circulating. I AM!!!

So am I !!! Hal Holland, Maj., USAF, Rtd. (WWII, Korea, Vietnam - Air warfare, ground fire , WIA veteran).

If this guy got it right, it certainly is food for thought.

[SilentRage]

an excellent post ,, and I'll add one more to it ,,,,
for all the people that think this war is all about Bush and Cheney and oil ,
well , where the hell is it ????

well ,, I'm waiting ....

[Dredly]

when it starts out with:

"There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.
That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq. "

To begin with: there are approx 5.4 Million people living in "the Detroit metro", approx 1 million of these are in the city limits.

There are less then 250K troops (I believe after the "Surge) in Iraq. The rate of
death of 39 does not include Iraqi civilians, contractors, or insurgents. We are comparing apples to oranges here.

Its also impossible to compare causality counts as the differences in technology has made life threatenings wounds treatable and even preventable. How many soldiers have walked away from shots and explosions that would have killed them without even a scratch? How many soldiers in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam made the ultimate sacrifice because they couldn't be reached or due to infection and illness? Compare that to Iraq where we can almost always reach our soldiers.

Not to mention the air strikes and long range attack range has given us the ability to eliminate threats before we get near the threat and thus put our soldiers at risk.

On top of all that IRAQ never attacked us. The Taliban supposedly were at fault for the attack with the help of an Al* cell. (not commenting on the "real" culprit) We went in Iraq because Bush wanted to finish his daddy's war and make big cash for his oil buddies and supply buddies (Haliburton)... which he did very successfully.

Human Rights excuses don't hold water at all as there are dozens of those in Africa and we ignore them daily. "Terror Camps" are bullshit as there are significantly more terrorist camps in Pakistan (proven time and time again), plus they routinely cross the border for training and Pakistan knows it, Iran (also proven), Syria (nuke power with terrorists), Egypt, and Saudi Arabia... Saudi Arabia is the only one that "cracks down" on these cells. The rest embrace them.

[Dredly]

an excellent post ,, and I'll add one more to it ,,,,
for all the people that think this war is all about Bush and Cheney and oil ,
well , where the hell is it ????

well ,, I'm waiting ....

You can't be serious... DID YOU MISS IT?

3 of the top 20 companies on Fortune 500 are Big Oil (Exxon Mobil, Chevron, Valero). All of which have posted record profits since the war started.

You didn't think the war was to SECURE a supply did you? hahaha, there is no money in a stable reliable supply of a resource. The money is in "restricting" supply while still meeting orders at double the price. The result is record profits every quarter for the oil companies.

Also you have a huge increase in spending which goes straight to supply companies responsible for giving our soldiers everything from food and uniforms to ammo and bombs... LOTS Of money to go around to a select few supply companies, money that would not be going to them in the event of a "peace" time scenario. Hell the VP SERVED on the BOARD of a supply company that was busted many times for no-bid contracts and price gouging. Not to mention their extensive involvement in Oil as well.

Face it, the war isn't about terrorism, it isn't about saving the population, it isn't about ensuring we have oil... its about $$$ from the tax payers pocket to the Gov't buddies and our guys and gals are on the ground getting killed so that some fat bastard somewhere makes and extra 100 million this year.

Wait until next year... I can almost guarantee that Bush will go back to a large oil company as a "consultant" and Dick will take over another company somewhere, a company that undoubtedly has massive gov't contracts.

[ReefBlue]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/glenn.asp

Not attributed to John Glenn. Anonymous piece just 'floating around the internet'.

[JoeWilliams]

We went in Iraq because Bush wanted to finish his daddy's war and make big cash for his oil buddies and supply buddies (Haliburton)... which he did very successfully.
snip.

There is no basis in fact for that statement. It's pure Al Queda propaganda, spread with glee by their allies in the American left.

[JoeWilliams]

You didn't think the war was to SECURE a supply did you? hahaha, there is no money in a stable reliable supply of a resource. The money is in "restricting" supply while still meeting orders at double the price. The result is record profits every quarter for the oil companies.
snip.

Again, your claims are devoid of truth and fact. It is simply more of the terrorist supporting propaganda so beloved by the American left. There is NO restriction in the supply of oil. Oil and gas supplies are plentiful, and current gas prices have nothing to do with the supply. Prices can be laid right at the feet of futures speculators, happily profiteering away.

[Dredly]

Again, your claims are devoid of truth and fact. It is simply more of the terrorist supporting propaganda so beloved by the American left. There is NO restriction in the supply of oil. Oil and gas supplies are plentiful, and current gas prices have nothing to do with the supply. Prices can be laid right at the feet of futures speculators, happily profiteering away.

They need an excuse for it don't they? All they need is a "reason" to raise it, doesn't seem like they feel okay doing it without a cause... The Iraq war has been the biggest reason ever.

Throw in some random civil issues in Iraq, war in Africa, shots fired in the Gulf... they need a reason and they got it.

[Dredly]

There is no basis in fact for that statement. It's pure Al Queda propaganda, spread with glee by their allies in the American left.

What were the reasons for going into Iraq again?

1. Weapons of mass destruction: we found chemical weapons of course (who doesn't have those) but nothing of the level we were supposed to find (lies)

2. The UAV program which was supposed to be within a year of striking the east coast with drones turned out to be a few target drones. (lies)

3. Al Qaeda was using Iraq as a training ground to plan attacks. Turns out Al Qaeda wasn't operating in Iraq because Sadam killed them as soon as they were discovered. In fact the only "terrorist" orgs were his royal guard, everyone else was crushed and driven to Iran to operate.

[Pector55]

What were the reasons for going into Iraq again?

You forgot one...

H.R.4655
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Enrolled Bill (Sent to President))

Bill Summary & Status for the 105th Congress

H.R.4655
Public Law: 105-338 (10/31/98)
SPONSOR: Rep Gilman (introduced 09/29/98)

RELATED BILLS: S.2525

TITLE(S):


SHORT TITLE(S) AS INTRODUCED:
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
SHORT TITLE(S) AS PASSED HOUSE:
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998

SHORT TITLE(S) AS ENACTED:
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998

OFFICIAL TITLE AS INTRODUCED:
A bill to establish a program to support a transition to democracy in Iraq.
STATUS: Floor Actions
10/31/98 Public Law 105-338 (11/12/98 CR D1205)
10/20/98 Measure presented to President (10/21/98 CR H11704)
10/20/98 Enrolled Measure signed in Senate (CR S12718)
10/19/98 Enrolled Measure signed in House (CR H11546)
10/07/98 Measure passed Senate (CR S11812)
10/07/98 Measure considered in Senate (CR S11811-11812)
10/07/98 Measure called up by unanimous consent in Senate (CR S11811)
10/05/98 Measure passed House, amended, roll call #482 (360-38) (CR H9494)
10/05/98 Measure considered in House (CR H9486-9494)
10/05/98 Measure called up under motion to suspend rules and pass in House (CR H9486)

STATUS: Detailed Legislative Status

House Actions
Sep 29, 98:
Referred to the House Committee on International Relations.
Oct 2, 98:
Committee Consideration and Mark-up Session Held.
Oct 2, 98:
Committee Agreed to Seek Consideration Under Suspension of the Rules, (Amended) by Voice Vote.
Oct 5, 98:
Called up by House under suspension of the rules.
Considered by House as unfinished business.
Passed House (Amended) by Yea-Nay Vote: 360 - 38 (Roll No. 482).
Senate Actions
Oct 6, 98:
Received in the Senate, read twice.
Oct 7, 98:
Passed Senate without amendment by Unanimous Consent.
Oct 8, 98:
Message on Senate action sent to the House.
Executive Actions
Oct 7, 98:
Cleared for White House.
Oct 20, 98:
Presented to President.
Oct 31, 98:
Became Public Law No: 105-338.
Signed by President.
STATUS: Congressional Record Page References



10/01/98 Introductory remarks on Measure (CR E1857)
10/05/98 Full text of Measure as passed House printed (CR H9486-9487)

COMMITTEE(S):


COMMITTEE(S) OF REFERRAL:
House International Relations
AMENDMENT(S):
***NONE***

COSPONSORS(1):

Rep Cox - 09/29/98


SUMMARY:

(REVISED AS OF 10/05/98 -- Passed House, amended)

Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 - Declares that it should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government.