HS Precision makes it worse

[granuale]

You should read the whole thing.

On noticing the H-S Precision booth on the NRA Convention floor map, I was genuinely curious about a few things. How on earth could Horiuchi have passed any company’s vetting process? ANY entry into google alone will bring up countless flags screaming “Not an ideal celebrity endorsement,” let alone the notion that any company would want to actively associate with the government actions at Ruby Ridge and Waco. Why wasn’t there any sort of actual apology? Is Horiuchi still affiliated in any way with the company, just not published as such? Media pass in hand, I felt it appropriate to try to get some answers.....

“No comment. That never happened. He was never affiliated with us. No comment. Move along. We do not include product testimonials.” Added emphasis mine. He continued to chant the “no comment” talisman while making sure the other two H-S Precision employees got the notion that they should keep quiet too.

“What about the apology? Your company didn’t even — ” At this point, a white haired gentleman male stepped forward, visibly angry.

“What about an apology? Did they apologize for killing a US Marshall?”
“Did Vickie Weaver shoot him? Did the baby do it?”
“Well she was there! She knew damn well — ” at this point he was very animated and going red in the face. The original company spokesman tossed a few more “No comment!”s at me and physically removed the other individual to the back of the booth. The product rep I originally spoke to informed me that the interview was over and told me to leave the booth.

“You don’t have any answers for any of this?”
“No comment. You need to leave.”

[GunLawyer001]

It's an interesting mindset. Trespass on a man's land, shoot his dog because the dog is barking at the trespassers and giving away their lurking spots (they could have simply left the property), then the U.S. marshalls are the victims because the teenaged boy shoots the trespasser who just killed his dog.

I guess killing the boy wasn't enough, they needed to kill his whole family, too.

The Weaver case should never have happened. Our government shouldn't be in the business of creating crimes so that they can blackmail a citizen into being an unpaid informant, and they certainly shouldn't be lying to other government agencies, and they shouldn't issue death warrants without trials.

Not our government's finest hour. The settlement paid by the government to Weaver should pretty much tell you who was wrong here, the sad thing is that Horiuchi shot an unarmed woman in the face, obeyed illegal orders, lied about "protecting the helicopters", and was shielded from state criminal charges by the federal government as though he was a medieval noble who was above answering to the peasants for his crimes.

[twoguns]

Thank you granuale for speaking out and pushing the issue with this bunch of cretins. From the reaction you received I think it is clear who side they are on.

To answer his counter accusation/question, from everything I have read on the subject (I lived in Washington State during that time and followed the case closely) and there is a mountain of written material on it, it is reasonably concluded that the Fedgoon...er Federal Marshal that was shot and killed was likely shot in the back by one of his own during the initial attack that resulted in the death of Sammy Weaver. You may read about it in one of Gerry Spence's books. Spence was Weavers defense attorney. Let us also point out that Weaver and Kevin Harris were found not guilty of murdering the federal marshal. Also important to point out that a Grand Jury in Idaho determined that Horiuchi should face criminal prosecution for the death of Mrs. Vickie Weaver but a federal judge ruled that out. It was clear that the feds fabricated evidence, destroyed evidence, lied under oath and committed murder in the name of the law. All in a days work for the criminal element in government. We the people should never forget these facts.

Lon Horiuchi is a murderer whether or not the powers that be care to admit it or not.

I am glad you pushed their buttons and the response you got shows what kind of people they are. Let the world know they like to glorify murderers and use them as ad-men for their products.

[granuale]

Thank you granuale for speaking out and pushing the issue with this bunch of cretins.

twoguns, I just posted the link and the quote. The Atomic Nerds blogger deserves your thanks as he is the one who was there and wrote about it. You can thank me for checking the waronguns blog and reporting the story here if you like though.

the sad thing is that Horiuchi shot an unarmed woman in the face, obeyed illegal orders, lied about "protecting the helicopters", and was shielded from state criminal charges by the federal government as though he was a medieval noble who was above answering to the peasants for his crimes.

Yeah and lets not forget he then went on to do great things at Waco as well.

[twoguns]

Thank you as well GUNLAWYER001.

You are correct that it should never have happened.

It is an incident that forever changed the way I look at government, and the American system of law enforcement. The entire case was wrought with lies and deception. Do we really need a government that acts in this manner?

Never again! No more incidents like Waco or Ruby Ridge.

[twoguns]

I appreciate your clarifying the matter and giving credit where credit is due.
Bravo and thanks to ATOMIC NERDS.
and yes, thanks for bringing it up on this forum.

twoguns

[NineseveN]

I like how one commentor at that blog asks if the white-haired man was Tom Houghton, founder and El Presidente of HS Precision (and posted a link to a picture of him). That would be just too much, but entirely expected.

[son of the revolution]

I like how one commentor at that blog asks if the white-haired man was Tom Houghton, founder and El Presidente of HS Precision (and posted a link to a picture of him). That would be just too much, but entirely expected.

Not sure I follow the line of reasoning here 9-7 . Are you alluding to the blog poster was somehow wrong for doing so ?? Do you feel he was unfairly " outting " the guy ?? Cause it read to me like he was just trying to get to the bottom of who the guy that reacted so violently was , didnt seem to me like he was casting apersions or associations at an innocent person .

Seemed a pretty even handed and rational reply .

Their trying to identify the guy
Apparently the Owner of HS Precision at least partly fit the description of the guy
Poster throws out a picture of a white haired guy associated with HS and asks " Is that him " ??

Seems reasonable to me

Shrugs

[NineseveN]

Not sure I follow the line of reasoning here 9-7 . Are you alluding to the blog poster was somehow wrong for doing so ?? Do you feel he was unfairly " outting " the guy ?? Cause it read to me like he was just trying to get to the bottom of who the guy that reacted so violently was , didnt seem to me like he was casting apersions or associations at an innocent person .

Seemed a pretty even handed and rational reply .

Their trying to identify the guy
Apparently the Owner of HS Precision at least partly fit the description of the guy
Poster throws out a picture of a white haired guy associated with HS and asks " Is that him " ??

Seems reasonable to me

Shrugs

Um, why would I attach that very same picture here if I felt that way? Did I forget to have my Obvious Flakes this morning? Tom Houghton is, reportedly, an asshole, and a friend of Horiuchi's...which explains the "unexpected" part. For it to be him and then to act that way in public while representing his company covers the "too much" part.

[son of the revolution]

Um, why would I attach that very same picture here if I felt that way? Did I forget to have my Obvious Flakes this morning? Tom Houghton is, reportedly, an asshole, and a friend of Horiuchi's...which explains the "unexpected" part. For it to be him and then to act that way in public while representing his company covers the "too much" part.

Ahhh , gotcha

Guess I forgot to have my side of sarcasm on the dry toast this morning