WASR Vs. AK-47 Same or not?

[larry0071]

I have a clone AK-47, I know there are all the variants and origins out there og Yugo, China, Russia and more. Are the clones like mine any less of a weapon? I have fired mine (Maybe 400 rounds so far) and it shoots straight, feeds and ejects flawlessly, and looks great. It is stamped Outer Limits Firearms in front of the trigger gaurd.

My assumption is that an AK-47 is a true foriegn manufactured AK and a WASR is a US made clone of the foreign AK gun. I my understanding correct then, and the correct terminology would be that I do NOT have an AK, but that I do have a WASR?

Sorry for the dumb question.....I'm new to the WASR/AK-47 thing.

[RONNIE77]

There are no dumb questions here on the forum..

A WASR is an AK47 variant....
It is a Romanian AK47 parts kit on a US built Century Arms receiver.
There are also a few other US parts that are required in the build to make it legal to sell in the US.

[larry0071]

Then is my Outer Limits Firearms an AK-47..? It says It was made in Ohio.
This is thier website:
http://www.outerlimitsfirearms.com/p...ge/2716072.htm

So I am guessing that mine is a Romanian based conversion. Would you think that mine is a Century Arms kit just stamped with Outer Limits, or is Outer Limits doing thier own thing?

This sounds like mine - This is the description from his site:

Romanian AK47 with Wood Stock. Caliber 7.62 x 39.
Includes one 30 Round Steel Magazines, unless state law prohibits.
Built by Outer Limits Firearms on a DC Industries receiver. (No Dak Spud)

So, DC Industries makes the lower, what part would Outer Limits play in it. Its a Romanian gun with a DC Industries reciever....and Outer Limits stamps thier name onto the DC Industries reciever a half inch below the DC Industries name.

Is this considered a new US made gun or considered a post ban US legal conversion?

What is the difference between mine as it was purchased and the way the Romainians had it?

Is the Romanian version considered one of the lowest quality/cheapest versions?

And the question that begs to be answered.... Should I leave it as is, or make it into an evil black gun?

[RONNIE77]

Then is my Outer Limits Firearms an AK-47..? It says It was made in Ohio.

Yes, it is an AK 47 variant.
The company that built the rifle (Outer Limits Fireams) is in Ohio.
So they put their stamp on it.

So I am guessing that mine is a Romanian based conversion. Would you think that mine is a Century Arms kit just stamped with Outer Limits, or is Outer Limits doing thier own thing?

The website says Romanian AK47's.
So, your AK is a Romanian parts kit, on a US receiver. (however, there are a few more US parts that have to be on the rifle to be legal in the US).
If it doesn't say Century International Arms, then it is not a Century build.
I have a Yugo Underfold AK47. It is a Yugoslavian parts kit on a Century Arms receiver. The receiver has a Century markings on it.

Romanian AK47 with Wood Stock. Caliber 7.62 x 39.
Includes one 30 Round Steel Magazines, unless state law prohibits.
Built by Outer Limits Firearms on a DC Industries receiver. (No Dak Spud)

So, DC Industries makes the lower, what part would Outer Limits play in it. Its a Romanian gun with a DC Industries reciever....and Outer Limits stamps thier name onto the DC Industries reciever a half inch below the DC Industries name.

DCI/No Dak Spud receivers are some of the best AK receivers on the market.
DCI is the manufacturer of the receiver, and Outer Limits is the builder of the rifle.
I also have a Lancaster Arms AK47. It is a Romanian parts kit on a DCI receiver, built by Lancaster Arms.

Is this considered a new US made gun or considered a post ban US legal conversion?

I would say, it is a post ban US legal conversion.

What is the difference between mine as it was purchased and the way the Romainians had it?

I believe that the original Romanian AK's had the full auto fire selector, and probably a few other differences (I think the barrels as well are different)

Is the Romanian version considered one of the lowest quality/cheapest versions?

The WASR's have been the entry level AK variant. The quality is hit or miss.
You could get a real good shooter, or you could get a real shitter.
My cousin bought one 2 months ago, and had magazine seatiing problems, and feeding issues. He brought it back to the dealer, and they gave him a new one. It has been perfect since, with no problems. But the finish is kinda shitty.

And the question that begs to be answered.... Should I leave it as is, or make it into an evil black gun?

I personally like the wood an AK rather then plastic furniture.
So I would say leave it be. But you could also refinish the wood to bring it back to life.

[dtree25]

There are no dumb questions here on the forum..

A WASR is an AK47 variant....
It is a Romanian AK47 parts kit on a US built Century Arms receiver.
There are also a few other US parts that are required in the build to make it legal to sell in the US.

yep mine is the very same, wasr, romanian ak47 built and sold by Century Arms. Same design and works great.

[larry0071]

Thank you very much, Fast responses.
So the DCI is a good part.
This is as much of a AK-47 as anyones going to get unless its an old one that was brought in years ago.
Yes, The finish seems like its weak. The safety has already cleaned a path.

[RocketFoot]

Nothing wrong with WASR's...as long as you hand pick them. The main problems are canted front sights and excessive mag wobble or mag seating problems.

I have a nice Yugo B1, but I still wouldn't mind picking up a WASR for a fun gun! (or a Yugo underfolder, but that may be a long time from now at these prices!)

[RONNIE77]

Thank you very much, Fast responses.
So the DCI is a good part.
This is as much of a AK-47 as anyones going to get unless its an old one that was brought in years ago.
Yes, The finish seems like its weak. The safety has already cleaned a path.

No problem. That's what we are here for.

[Willie D]

The biggest problem with WASRs is that some were imported with single stack mag wells that were then widened with a dremel, literally.


The hard part is building the barrel and trunion, which for every AK still happens somewhere in eastern europe or china; building a receiver is pretty much a matter of bending a piece of sheet metal and heat treating it.


Don't worry about the safety lever scratching the finish, I've yet to see one that didn't.

[dtree25]

I have'nt any problem with mag wobble but the front sight is canted. Did'nt know anything about it until after I bought it and did some online reasearch. solved the problem by buying a scope kit from Cheaper Than Dirt for about 30 bucks. The mount replaces the top cover and the scope is a 3 power wide angle tactical scope. The only thing I've found wrong is once the barrel gets hot, which don't take much accuricy goes to hell- like in can't hit the broad side of a barn but it's still fun to shoot!