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    Default Padilla Gets 17 Years in Conspiracy Case

    MIAMI — Jose Padilla, the Brooklyn-born convert to Islam whom the government once accused of plotting to detonate a “dirty bomb” in the United States, was sentenced on Tuesday to 17 years and 4 months in prison for his role in a conspiracy to help Islamic jihadist fighters abroad.

    In explaining her decision, Judge Marcia G. Cooke of Federal District Court in Miami underscored the gravity of the crimes Mr. Padilla, 37, had committed. But she questioned the effects of the conspiracy, saying there was no evidence linking Mr. Padilla and two co-defendants to specific terrorism acts anywhere.

    “There is no evidence that these defendants personally maimed, kidnapped or killed anyone in the United States or elsewhere,” Judge Cooke said. “There was never a plot to overthrow the United States government.”

    She noted that defendants in other well-known American terrorism cases had received life sentences for more heinous crimes, including Zacarias Moussaoui, who pleaded guilty to conspiracy in connection with the Sept. 11 attacks, and Terry L. Nichols, who was convicted of murder in the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah federal building in 1995 in Oklahoma City.

    Over prosecutors’ objections, Judge Cooke gave Mr. Padilla credit for the three and a half years he spent in a naval brig in South Carolina after his arrest in 2002 on suspicion of being involved in the dirty bomb plot, accusations that were dropped.

    In detention, Mr. Padilla underwent prolonged isolation and intensive interrogations in conditions the judge called “harsh.” The conditions, she said, “warrant consideration in the sentencing.”

    Mr. Padilla remained impassive at the hearing, but the co-defendants smiled and waved to supporters and family members as marshals led them from the courtroom. Lawyers for the three promised to appeal the sentences and verdicts, but they were in a somewhat victorious mood after the sentencings.

    “It’s definitely a defeat for the government,” said Jeanne Baker, a lawyer for a co-defendant who was sentenced to 15 years and 8 months. A spokeswoman for the United States attorney’s office here, Alicia Valle, said the government was considering an appeal on the sentences. While acknowledging the terms were well below what prosecutors sought, Ms. Valle said: “These are serious sentences that effectively dismantle a North American support cell for terrorists. That’s a good thing.”

    The sentences, after a three-month trial and a seven-day sentencing hearing, closed a chapter in Mr. Padilla’s odyssey that began with his arrest in May 2002 at O’Hare airport in Chicago.

    Attorney General John Ashcroft announced the arrest, saying Mr. Padilla was part of an “unfolding terrorist plot to attack the United States” by exploding a radioactive dirty bomb intended to cause “mass death and injury.”

    Mr. Padilla was identified as an “enemy combatant” and held without charge. In 2006, as the Supreme Court prepared to weigh the constitutionality of his detention, he was transferred to the civilian courts here.

    He was added to the conspiracy case of two men, Ahmad Amin Hassoun, 45, a computer programmer of Palestinian descent, and Kifah Wael Jayyousi, 46, a public school administrator who came from Jordan.

    The three were accused of belonging to a North American terrorism support cell that provided money, recruits and supplies to Islamic extremists globally.

    Defense lawyers said the men were involved in humanitarian missions for persecuted Muslims in Bosnia, Chechnya, Lebanon, Somalia and other places.

    The main evidence against Mr. Padilla, a former Chicago gang member with a long criminal record, was an application form that prosecutors said he had filled out to attend a Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan in 2000.

    Last August, a federal jury here convicted the three of conspiracy to murder, kidnap and maim people in a foreign country and of two counts of material support.

    Under federal guidelines, the co-defendants could have also been sentenced to life in prison.

    Mr. Hassoun, who recruited Mr. Padilla in a Broward County mosque, received 15 years and 8 months. Mr. Jayyousi, said to be a financier and propagandist for the cell, received 12 years and 8 months.

    William Swor, a lawyer for Mr. Jayyousi, criticized his sentence.

    “The government has not made America safer nor promoted the rule of law,” Mr. Swor said. “The government has just made America less free.”

    Mr. Padilla’s mother, Estela Lebron, told reporters outside the courthouse that the Bush administration had waged a misguided prosecution against her son, calling it “insane.” “He’s a human being and an American citizen,” she said. “He’s not a terrorist.”

    Mr. Padilla’s case became the centerpiece of a debate about the Bush administration’s approach to prosecuting terrorism.

    Administration officials had long maintained that some suspects could be properly handled only with military detention and trials by military commissions, not in the civilian system.

    But the verdict against Mr. Padilla seemed to undercut that insistence and, in the eyes of administration critics, showed that the civilian system should have had the case from the start.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/us...html?ref=world

    Looks like the administration got a slap in the face for keeping him in custody without charge for 3 1/2 years and torturing him.
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    Default Re: Padilla Gets 17 Years in Conspiracy Case

    WTF......? whatever happened to a fair and speedy execution for terrorists?

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    Default Re: Padilla Gets 17 Years in Conspiracy Case

    I don't know too much about the case. I am just glad he was charged and tried. The outcome wasn't nearly as important to me as indefinite detention of U.S. Citizens is.
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    Default Re: Padilla Gets 17 Years in Conspiracy Case

    There was no evidence supporting any claims of terrorism.
    He was tortured and held without council for quite some time. What happened to his constitutionally protected rights?

    I guess since some bureaucrats said he was a terrorist he can be tortured at will.
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    Default Re: Padilla Gets 17 Years in Conspiracy Case

    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    There was no evidence supporting any claims of terrorism.
    He was tortured and held without council for quite some time. What happened to his constitutionally protected rights?

    I guess since some bureaucrats said he was a terrorist he can be tortured at will.
    How was he convicted and sentenced without evidence? Can you shed some light into the details on how this was done?

    Personally, I would be more concerned for the constitutional rights of his intended victims before I considered any rights for someone planning to kill innocent civilians.

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    Default Re: Padilla Gets 17 Years in Conspiracy Case

    Quote Originally Posted by reels18 View Post
    How was he convicted and sentenced without evidence?
    Do your own research. Padilla was never proven to be involved in any terrorist attacks. It is the,ever trustworthy, federal government making the claims.

    Not to mention the ridiculousness of most "conspiracy" charges. What else more closely mirrors Orwells thought police?
    Can you shed some light into the details on how this was done?
    Lets see. He was abducted,imprisoned,held without council or any respect to his rights or due process.he was never charged with anything until long after his illegal arrest and imprisonment.

    Google is your friend.

    How this was done was quite simple. The Feds have the bigger guns and the will to use them. Not to mention many morons in this country are so afraid of the big bad boogy man,all the feds have to do is whisper terrorist and the American people would condone torture of their own mother.

    All in a days work for our great savior the Federal government.


    Personally, I would be more concerned for the constitutional rights of his intended victims before I considered any rights for someone planning to kill innocent civilians.

    If I accuse you of conspiring to kill innocent civilians should I then be allowed to abduct,imprison,torture or even murder you without a jury of your peers convicting you?

    You seem like a terrorist to me. A dangerous threat to national security.


    Where is that homeland security telephone number when I need it?
    Last edited by josh; January 24th, 2008 at 07:52 PM.
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    Default Re: Padilla Gets 17 Years in Conspiracy Case

    Quote Originally Posted by reels18 View Post
    How was he convicted and sentenced without evidence?
    by butchering the constitution and holding one's self above the law.

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