Philadelphia LTCF - Pick up appointment cue 5 monhs long!!

[appleorangefish]

I have been procrastinating at getting my LTCF in Philadelphia, and finally applied this May.
I received the approval email yesterday, so around ~30 day processing time, which falls within the state's 45 day window.

However, Philly requires scheduling an appointment to pick up the LTCF - and the first availabile opening is Late November!!. It's June right now, so that's a 5 month backlog!

Anyone have any ideas of what's going on, or if there's another way to get an earlier appointment time?

Thanks!

[jthrelf]

They're blatantly skirting the law and have been sued (multiple times?) recently for these shenanigans.

I would recommend contacting the GOA (Gun Owners of America). The GOA is backing lawsuits and I believe they are (or at least were at one point) looking for plaintiffs.

Good luck to you.

[OwnTheRide]

And so the PRNY tactic continues to spread. This really needs to be nipped in the bud ASAP.

Like PA, NY has a time limit on approvals (though NY's is six months, not 45 days). The law starts the timer when the application is presented to the licensing officer. So many counties decided to violate the law by requiring appointments to submit an application - sometimes as long as an 18 month wait to submit an application.

Several PA sheriffs quickly started copying this tactic by refusing to accept applications from out-of-state residents, under the flawed thinking that if they don't accept an application, they don't have to process it. They continue to get away with it to this day, despite my efforts to put a stop to it.

And now we have Philly requiring appointments to pick up an approved LTCF, with a five month backlog.

It saddens my heart to see what is happening to your state

[PocketProtector]

Move

[gnbrotz]

They're blatantly skirting the law and have been sued (multiple times?) recently for these shenanigans.

I would recommend contacting the GOA (Gun Owners of America). The GOA is backing lawsuits and I believe they are (or at least were at one point) looking for plaintiffs.

Good luck to you.

They announced the most recent suit on June 4. It may not hurt to contact them, but addressing this specific problem is already underway. Apparently Philly immediately extended hours, and added weekends, but still not enough to meet their statutory obligation.

[Fetus]

Yup ... family member got approved today in philly ... november appointment . Ridiculous. Thankfully I already have mine from Pittsburgh its good for another year or so and will do whatever i need to to renew it there .

[ManiacMatt1782]

Yeah... So here's my story. My LTCF expired in May 2020. All them were closed for Covid. Furher Wolf granted us extensions. Philly GPU opens back up mid to late August last year. I call, they give me an appointment for June 16 2021. Extensions were only given until March 31. It gets better. June 16th rolls around. Appointment is cancelled, we made an announcement on the website. Have to apply through the website. Fine, I do that. Get approved. As other have reported earliest pick up time is NOVEMBER. I need to find more info on this lawsuit as I will be joining.

[bogey1]

Use the approval letter for your license?

[ManiacMatt1782]

Use the approval letter for your license?

They distinctly say you cannot do this. Only the physical license is valid.

[Bang]

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