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    Question Long Gun Bill Of Sale / Private Background Check...

    Has anyone here every conducted a background check on someone before they sold a long gun to them via Bill Of Sale?

    I know alot of people prefer someone to have a valid PA DL and PA LTCF. But, if they do not have a valid PA LTCF and refuse to go through a FFL, have you ever done your own background check on them to know they are legal to own the long gun you have for sale?

    Long story short...

    I have (had) someone interested in a long gun I have for sale. He said he has a PA DL but no PA LTCF or any out of state CCW. Sends me a copy of his PA DL but it's expired. Ask him to send me a updated copy. Says he will tomorrow. Then tells me something came up and he has to back out of the sale. --- I kept getting a strange feeling during the emails.

    Anyone else ever have something like this happen? Or am I just paranoid?

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    Default Re: Long Gun Bill Of Sale / Private Background Check...

    I wouldn't spend any money on a background check, but I would certainly check the name against the PA court records and even google it to see if anything interesting comes up.

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    Default Re: Long Gun Bill Of Sale / Private Background Check...

    Quote Originally Posted by iMoses14 View Post
    Has anyone here every conducted a background check on someone before they sold a long gun to them via Bill Of Sale?

    I know alot of people prefer someone to have a valid PA DL and PA LTCF. But, if they do not have a valid PA LTCF and refuse to go through a FFL, have you ever done your own background check on them to know they are legal to own the long gun you have for sale?

    Long story short...

    I have (had) someone interested in a long gun I have for sale. He said he has a PA DL but no PA LTCF or any out of state CCW. Sends me a copy of his PA DL but it's expired. Ask him to send me a updated copy. Says he will tomorrow. Then tells me something came up and he has to back out of the sale. --- I kept getting a strange feeling during the emails.

    Anyone else ever have something like this happen? Or am I just paranoid?


    ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh h there is CCW again!!!!!!!! now if i can only work up the energy to find the thread where i ranted and raved about this before....

    i would never send you a copy of my DL

    buy anyway, was it a black rifle or something that may be banned in a neighbor state? perhaps hes trying to pull a fast one and now lives in NJ or something. Good on you for doing some legwork though.

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    Default Re: Long Gun Bill Of Sale / Private Background Check...

    Gun sales shouldn't be like sex, if it feels funny, you shouldn't keep doing it.
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    Break the rules and you get no bones,
    all you get is ridicule, laughter,
    and a trip to the house of pain.

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    Default Re: Long Gun Bill Of Sale / Private Background Check...

    I've done many "transfers" via Bill Of Sale over the years to only PA residents who have showed me their PA DL and PA LTCF. This is the only person I've had give me any issues.

    The only reason I asked him to email me a copy of his PA DL was because he said he didn't have a LTCF from PA or any other state. So, I wanted to confirm he was at least a PA resident before I bothered driving 45 minutes to meet him. But, I noticed his PA DL was expired by 2 years. And, when I said something to him, he said he was gonna send me an updated PA DL. But then all of a sudden something came up and he had to back out of the sale.

    I'd rather not sell the gun then sell it to someone who isn't legally allowed to own it. Ya know?

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    Default Re: Long Gun Bill Of Sale / Private Background Check...

    Did his name show up on any dockets here http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/docketsheets.aspx

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    Default Re: Long Gun Bill Of Sale / Private Background Check...

    Sounds like he's no longer a resident and was trying to conduct an illegal transfer. Probably lives in NJ or NY now and didn't want to bother with the hoops there.

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    Default Re: Long Gun Bill Of Sale / Private Background Check...

    Quote Originally Posted by iMoses14 View Post
    I've done many "transfers" via Bill Of Sale over the years to only PA residents who have showed me their PA DL and PA LTCF. This is the only person I've had give me any issues.

    The only reason I asked him to email me a copy of his PA DL was because he said he didn't have a LTCF from PA or any other state. So, I wanted to confirm he was at least a PA resident before I bothered driving 45 minutes to meet him. But, I noticed his PA DL was expired by 2 years. And, when I said something to him, he said he was gonna send me an updated PA DL. But then all of a sudden something came up and he had to back out of the sale.

    I'd rather not sell the gun then sell it to someone who isn't legally allowed to own it. Ya know?
    It don't pass the smell test. I wouldn't do it, but it's your call.

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    Default Re: Long Gun Bill Of Sale / Private Background Check...

    Since he's backed out of the deal he's done you a favor. If anyone knowingly sent or showed me an expired license I'd immediately cancel the sale. Just too fishy.
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    Default Re: Long Gun Bill Of Sale / Private Background Check...

    Now, does anyone think I should leave him negative feedback here on the forum to let everyone else be aware? Or, should I just drop it and let everyone else who he tries to buy from worry about it?

    I did a Google search of his screen name and he's on some porn dating sites, biker sites, traveling sites, other gun sites.

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