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June 2nd, 2009, 12:11 AM #1
Just a hypothetical question
Just a hypothetical question and please no I'll stand up to them I'll shoot it out I'll hide out in the hills etc. No one can say what they will do till your in the shit then you won't say it you'll live it or die by it. Ask any military man. Most big talkers are the first to break and run. So read the question and then give a reasonable answer please
What do you feel would actually happen if the government started to confiscate guns.
I think many young gun owners would cave in older gun owners may try to change the law at that point but it would be to late, to many young kids would listen to the politicians. I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling that many today have that attitude that our forefathers had at Bunker hill. I maybe wrong but it's my gut that the last two wars have shaped this nation in a way that makes many many sheep. And not enough sheepdogs to protect them.
I'd be interested in how you gentleman feel about it
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June 2nd, 2009, 12:16 AM #2
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Mostly nothing. A few shootouts with the police/Feds/military. Maybe some very limited armed resistance groups/lone wolfs. But no effective resistance.
Once the government is at the point they think they can get away with wholesale gun confiscations, they probably can-- either because the overwhelming majority of Americans support it or our transition from republic to police state is complete (or maybe both)."When law becomes despotic, morals are relaxed, and vice versa."-- Honore de Balzac, The Wild Ass's Skin...huh, huh..Balzac...Wild Ass...huh, huh
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June 2nd, 2009, 12:19 AM #3
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Try to get laws changed but as OP said to late..I would drift off to some very private secluded area with my firearms and live my life off the GRID. Just my 02 cents. I like the resistance group idea but as a very last resort. lolol. Oh i just made another list...lol
Semper Fi,
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June 2nd, 2009, 12:27 AM #4
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If we're talking about what we'd do personally, if it were practicable (family considerations and all), I'd probably just leave the country at that point. Not sure where I'd go-- either to a place I can own guns legally, or a place I can't own guns legally but always wanted to live in if they did allow guns (b/c at that point I've lost a major reason for not moving there), or maybe a country where guns are illegal but the government is so weak and corrupt it's pretty easy to own them all the same. Who knows, but if that ever happened here, I'd seriously start thinking about moving. I'd say I'd be down with the resistance, but, like I said, at the point it happens it's likely to be checkmate, might as well resign the game and move on with my life elsewhere.
"When law becomes despotic, morals are relaxed, and vice versa."-- Honore de Balzac, The Wild Ass's Skin...huh, huh..Balzac...Wild Ass...huh, huh
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June 2nd, 2009, 12:30 AM #5
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Do you feel you'd be able to live off GRID. remember no Ammo but what you have and if your guns in any database you'd become a fugitive. The only resistances group I see would be like outlaw bikers. Most para-military groups would be the first hit and taken out (IE Branch Dravidian, Ruby Ridge, Posse Comitatus just to name a few)
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June 2nd, 2009, 12:29 AM #6
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I think that 90% of gun owners would cave.
I think the younger gun owners will give in because they feel they have too much to loose (wife / kids).
I think the older gun owners will make up the majority if the 10% that resist. Because their kids are grown and they (older gun owners) don't care if they go out in a blaze of glory.
I think initially, there will be a lot of dead resisters. Then they will organize a bit better and make a few valiant attempts but will get squashed by the .gov and the sheep that turn them in. The media will turn all resisters into domestic terrorists because of the bombings and killings and the sheep will be scared and roll over on anyone they think might still have a gun.
The only way it might be a little more successful is if states start to withdraw from the fed and everyone rallies into those states to stand up against the fed. Then the lines could be drawn in the sand. Maybe.
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June 2nd, 2009, 03:44 PM #7
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I do not think it will peter out. The Irish, Croatians, Palestinians have all waged guerilla warfare for decades (or centuries) and I suspect the same would happen here. Poisoned water supplies, police and reporters having their families lynched, biological and chemical warfare against people, food supplies, and crop producing lands from both sides. The groundwork is already laid, and I see no reason why if some state aren't allowed to split on their own the open and guerilla warfare will not go on until the nation is wasted. Much of the material needed can be improvised, much has been stolen from national guard armories.
I commend to you that the Continental Army never enjoyed more than about 30% support, and far fewer than that actually served."Never give up, never surrender!" Commander Peter Quincy Taggart
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June 2nd, 2009, 04:57 PM #8
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Like I said in the OP I believe that the Spirit you speak of is dead in this country. To many younger people have been made to think GUN=BAD so it will happen slowly. As for the states secessions has been tried before with the highest cost in American lives in any war we've ever been in. So I believe that when the first body bags start to appear the collage kids will go crazy and wind up turning in their parents guns
I see this (the confiscation of guns) happening now but so slowly I don't think others see it. In Penna their is a hard time to get the younger people into hunting remember GUNS=BAD it's taught in schools. Collages and high schools how the bad guys kill people and the good guys save them (good guy police, army, etc) so theres no need for you to carry a gun. I've been in more discussions this past two years about the police not being there to protect you. In Binghamton when the shooting took place one of the
receptionist who was gut shoot laid there for three hours before the police entered the building. Hitler said give me the children and I'll own the world
Taken gun from the National Guard Armories would require taken out friends and neighbors who pull guard duty on those sites.
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Re: Just a hypothetical question
Extreme times will require strange bedfellows.
If a resistance is initiated, there will be criminal groups and hate groups and Constitutionalists all on the same side. Even rogue nations may supply support unofficially (lawyers, guns and money).
One's world will be topsy turvy in this way, IMHO. I think this is something overlooked or not thought about for these scenarios and should be.It is you. You have all the weapons that you need. Now fight. --Sucker Punch
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June 2nd, 2009, 06:11 PM #10
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I'm not 100% sure I’m willing to give up entirely on the young people. Like I said, many will cave because of family obligations. However, my son that is 15 has about 8-10 friends. Of those 8-10, 5 of them shoot with their parents. I have had conversations about guns and such with them (parents). They are mostly hunters and involved with the boy scouts. I've never had a conversation about gun confiscation with them but it seems most are pretty much into guns / shooting. None have the collection of firearms that I do though. But at least they and their kids are active shooters. Would they cave too? I guess only time and circumstance would tell. But at least there are some kids out there being introduced to guns / shooting in a positive way and wont buy into all the negative gun hype they come across in the media and at school. In my opinion, it’s easier to convince someone that never handled a firearm that guns are “bad”. Shooters generally know that guns are “good” and therefore are less likely to buy into the negative hype.
Last edited by Guns4Fun; June 2nd, 2009 at 06:13 PM.
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