Can a private rifle range club video record its members without their knowledge?

[Marines55]

Went to a private rifle range club i belong to recently and found not just one but many trail cams strapped to trees and camouflaged. They were all pointed at the benches, the vehicle parking areas, etc. As a member of the club none of us were notified to these cameras being installed. Now, the club can record vehicle data, license plates, what firearms you have, and who is with you (including minors). I know that PA is a two party consent state for recording purposes. However, i dont not know if this changes on private property. Since it is a private property area there is a reasonable expectation of privacy. Does anyone know more about this? I honestly do not want to be recorded while shooting, or talking. And i will NOT be taking my kids there because i do not approve of them being recorded.

[akley88]

Went to a private rifle range club i belong to recently and found not just one but many trail cams strapped to trees and camouflaged. They were all pointed at the benches, the vehicle parking areas, etc. As a member of the club none of us were notified to these cameras being installed. Now, the club can record vehicle data, license plates, what firearms you have, and who is with you (including minors). I know that PA is a two party consent state for recording purposes. However, i dont not know if this changes on private property. Since it is a private property area there is a reasonable expectation of privacy. Does anyone know more about this? I honestly do not want to be recorded while shooting, or talking. And i will NOT be taking my kids there because i do not approve of them being recorded.

my question was it mentioned in any membership docs you signed and agreed to? The club i go has cameras but they are not fixed on the benches. they can see who comes and goes.

[Marines55]

my question was it mentioned in any membership docs you signed and agreed to? The club i go has cameras but they are not fixed on the benches. they can see who comes and goes.

Nothing was mentioned in writing or verbally to any members that these cameras were being installed. These are new additions and have not been there during the 10+ years i have been a member there.

[free]

Can a private rifle range club video record its members without their knowledge?

Yes.

I know that PA is a two party consent state for recording purposes.

That refers to AUDIO recording.

[Marines55]

Yes.

That refers to AUDIO recording.

Yes, i know that. How can you prove that these cameras are NOT recording audio? I have no clue where the footage is being sent. I have no idea WHO is getting the footage and how they ar using/storing it.

[free]

Yes, i know that. How can you prove that these cameras are NOT recording audio?

You don't. You'd have to prove they are.

I have no clue where the footage is being sent. I have no idea WHO is getting the footage and how they ar using/storing it.

Have you raised these issues at a membership meeting?

[Marines55]

You don't. You'd have to prove they are.

Have you raised these issues at a membership meeting?

Literally, these were just spotted a couple days ago. Membership meetings are rare and communications are lacking in this club. I would believe in this case, the club would have to prove they are NOT recording audio. Either way, it looks like it may be time to drop out of this old boy club.

[free]

I would believe in this case, the club would have to prove they are NOT recording audio.

Well, you can take them to court and try that theory out I guess. I mean, I'd have no way to prove that I'm not recording you RIGHT NOW. I can't imagine your club could either.

Either way, it looks like it may be time to drop out of this old boy club.

That does seem like the best course of action.

[bogey1]

You don't. You'd have to prove they are.

Have you raised these issues at a membership meeting?

In public you have no right to privacy, but this isn't public, it's private.

[free]

In public you have no right to privacy, but this isn't public, it's private.

Just because you're at a private club doesn't mean you're not "in public".