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November 5th, 2008, 06:17 PM #1
Voting exclusivly over second amendment rights?
Drawing from the conclusions throughout this forum, and finally pushed over the edge by some of the comments in my other topic, "Did anyone here actually vote for Obama?".. I notice that a LOT of you guys/gals voted against Obama for the exclusive reason of protecting your second amendment rights. I'm not saying I would have voted for Obama, I probably wouldn't have (I didn't do my homework so I refuse to say I would have voted for McCain).
Even from the perspective of an avid firearm owner, is there anyone who sees nothing wrong with voting almost entirely over gun rights..?
Guns are important, not just culturally, but as a stepping-stone for the maintenence of rights in general. Banning, cencorship, and unnecessary inconviniencing security are some of the few things that seriously ticks me off to no end, but I feel it would be gross for me to vote by that, and only by that.
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November 5th, 2008, 06:23 PM #2
Re: Voting exclusivly over second amendment rights?
I did not vote based on one issue.
I voted based on traditional Conservative ideology: Fiscal policy, national security, pro-life, limited government, energy policy, free-market capitalism, gun control, in no particular order. (Note: I did not say, Republican ideology.)
I evaluated the candidates through these and other lenses. And picked the one that best aligned with my worldview.
I did not choose to vote third party or abstain from voting because there was no 100% fit candidate. But then again, I am a pragmatist.
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November 5th, 2008, 06:27 PM #3
Re: Voting exclusivly over second amendment rights?
I do not know anyone, personally, that voted exclusively on gun rights.
Had I voted exclusively on gun rights I would not have voted for McCain.
BUT... I would never vote for a candidate like Obama even if the ONLY thing different between him and this hypothetical candidate were that they were pro gun. His entire platform is socialism AND sold as lies and half truths.
I voted AGAINST O because he stands for everything I oppose. If he were Pro-Gun I would still have voted against him.
I think your conclusion that folks here voted solely on 2A issues is off the mark. I'm sure it may look that way because it is a gun board, so it goes without saying the primary topic, including political debate, is going to be guns. Yes, I'm sure a very few did vote that way. But I think for the most part, the more pro-gun a candidate is, typically the more freedom oriented they are too. As such their platform tends to resound with gun owners more than any anti-gun candidates._________________________________________
danbus wrote: ...Like I said before, I open carry because you don't, I fight for all my rights because
you won't, I will not sit with my thumb up my bum and complain, because you will.
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November 5th, 2008, 06:29 PM #4
Re: Voting exclusivly over second amendment rights?
this is a firearm forum , so that would be the main topic of voting against obama . I visit other forums where we have other reasons to be against him . it depends on the nature of the particular forum . I didn,t vote only on second amendment , but I had so many reasons for my vote , can,t list them all here
Last edited by 1861; November 5th, 2008 at 08:20 PM. Reason: spelling
Don't blame me ; I voted for an American .
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November 5th, 2008, 06:31 PM #5
Absolutely not. To vote on only one issue, regardless of what it is, is ignorant to say the least.
~ Derek
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November 5th, 2008, 06:33 PM #6
Re: Voting exclusivly over second amendment rights?
Actually, I don't see that here. Judging by the posts here over the last several months I think most of the McCain supporters on PAFOA had other reasons for voting against Obama (mostly because many here regard Obama as a socialist). Unfortunately some cannot wrap their heads around the fact people may also have had other reasons for voting against McCain besides guns.
I mean, really, if gun rights were the only issue worth voting for, it wouldn't make sense to vote for Obama or McCain.
I really think very few people here are "single-issue" voters. If they were, everybody would have voted for Ron Paul, or Barr or whoever the Constitution Party candidate was (name escapes me right now), because all of them are better on gun rights than McCain or Obama.
However it does seem like there's a bit of a double-standard on display here-- it's okay for conservatives to vote on other issues besides guns, but not anyone else.
That bein said, although I definitely respect your position on this matter, I really don't think starting more threads for people to argue over who they voted for and why is helpful. We got enough of that here already. The election's done, so we need to gear up for the fight to come over AWB."When law becomes despotic, morals are relaxed, and vice versa."-- Honore de Balzac, The Wild Ass's Skin...huh, huh..Balzac...Wild Ass...huh, huh
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November 5th, 2008, 06:33 PM #7
Re: Voting exclusivly over second amendment rights?
Generally speaking when you can trust a canidate with you 2nd amendment rights you can trust them with most everything else.
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November 5th, 2008, 06:38 PM #8
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November 5th, 2008, 06:41 PM #9
Re: Voting exclusivly over second amendment rights?
If what you all say is true, then maybe some of you should lighten off of the issue a bit...
Most everything I hear is, "Look what Obama did concerning this gun thing". In the other topic, what few people who admited to voting for Obama were flamed with exagerations along the lines of, "Don't fucking complain when Obama takes all of your guns in a year.", rather than talking about issues such at the economy, the war, or issues that, contrary to what appears to be popular belief on this board, are more important that having a magazine capacity over 10.
Maybe such one-liners are what makes democrats lump republicans together into 1 big irrational pile.
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November 5th, 2008, 06:43 PM #10
Re: Voting exclusivly over second amendment rights?
Last edited by Pa. Patriot; November 5th, 2008 at 06:46 PM.
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danbus wrote: ...Like I said before, I open carry because you don't, I fight for all my rights because
you won't, I will not sit with my thumb up my bum and complain, because you will.
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