Yes, there are some. Note especially the section related to firearms and confiscation.
Hat tip to Joshua. On the job as always.
https://blog.princelaw.com/2020/03/1...nd-ammunition/
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Yes, there are some. Note especially the section related to firearms and confiscation.
Hat tip to Joshua. On the job as always.
https://blog.princelaw.com/2020/03/1...nd-ammunition/
Joshua is the man.
Josh always brings it. Basically saying eff Wolf but in a nice way....:cool:
Then Wolf should have a yuuuggge liability on his hands right now.
maybe thats why wolf was forced to clarify the closures are recommendations and not forced.
One of the smaller local bars in Bucks got shut down by the Board of health 2 nights ago. My girlfriends friend thought it was closed but the regulars told her it was open that night and "everyone's here". She was there for a while till some "official" came by and told them to close.
One of my neighbors' family owns a mfg company and he told me that they'll be open until the po leece drag them out of there. LOL
Man, he is good!!
I copied that article onto my facebook page, to fight back against all the "viral" dramatic posts.
I’m certainly not a lawyer, but wouldn’t the following section apply to a disease or virus?
I certainly don’t support the governor’s actions, and I think the quarantine, in the long run, is going to be far more damaging to the country than the virus, but this is a legal theory discussion and it seems like a case could be made that a pandemic would qualify as a “catastrophe which results in… hardship, suffering, or possible loss of life”.Quote:
...other catastrophe which results in substantial damage to property, hardship, suffering or possible loss of life.
We're going to find out whether the cure (government response) kills both the virus and the patient (country).
You are correct. The courts would almost certainly find that a pandemic that's killing people and is spreading at a geometric rate, would qualify under the statute.
Whether the statute itself is constitutional, I don't know yet, but look at all the cases taken to PA courts that bit gun owners in the ass.
GOVERNOR WOLF CAN NEITHER SHUTDOWN PRIVATE BUSINESS NOR CONFISCATE FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION
Posted on March 18, 2020 by Joshua Prince, Esq.
Since Governor Wolf’s virtual press conference on March 16, 2020, there has been a lot of confusion about what, exactly, “nonessential” business are, whether he could shut them down, and speculation on whether he might seek to seize firearms and ammunition.
During the press conference, he declared that “effective at midnight all nonessential stores are to close in Pennsylvania as well as bars and restaurants, except for takeout . . .” He also stated that he “anticipates” that the closure will remain in effect for two weeks but would not commit to it ending after those two weeks.
While no one knows what Governor Wolf meant by “nonessential” and there is no executive order or written proclamation to look to, we first need to determine whether a Pennsylvania governor has the power and/or authority to order the closure of private businesses, regardless of whether essential or nonessential.
Governor Wolf cited the Emergency Management Services Code, 35 Pa.C.S. § 7101, et seq. – “Emergency Code” as the basis for his power. But what powers, exactly, does that law confer?
Section 7301 sets forth the explicit powers of the Governor during a “disaster”. Thus, before we address the putative powers of a governor in Pennsylvania during a “disaster,” we need to know what constitutes a disaster and whether COVID-19 constitutes such. For that, we need to look to the definitional section found in Section 7102. There, we find the following definitions –
“Disaster.” A man-made disaster, natural disaster or war-caused disaster.
“Man-made disaster.” Any industrial, nuclear or transportation accident, explosion, conflagration, power failure, natural resource shortage or other condition, except enemy action, resulting from man-made causes, such as oil spills and other injurious environmental contamination, which threatens or causes substantial damage to property, human suffering, hardship or loss of life.
“Natural disaster.” Any hurricane, tornado, storm, flood, high water, wind-driven water, tidal wave, earthquake, landslide, mudslide, snowstorm, drought, fire, explosion or other catastrophe which results in substantial damage to property, hardship, suffering or possible loss of life.
“War-caused disaster.” Any condition following an attack upon the United States resulting in substantial damage to property or injury to persons in the United States caused by use of bombs, missiles, shellfire, nuclear, radiological, chemical or biological means, or other weapons or overt paramilitary actions, or other conditions such as sabotage.
What is glaringly absent from all those definitions is the word “disease” or “virus” and, as a result, the Emergency Code does not apply to COVID-19. One might think that is an oversight, but the General Assembly has explicitly enacted a law regarding disease – the Disease Prevention and Control Law, 35 P.S. § 521.19 – and that law does not provide the Governor with the power to close private business, regardless of whether essential or nonessential. Oh, and by the way, none of the laws talk about essential and nonessential businesses.
Perhaps most importantly is Article 1, Section 12 of the Pennsylvania Constitution, which provides
§ 12. Power of suspending laws. No power of suspending laws shall be exercised unless by the Legislature or by its authority.
But what about the concern over firearms?
First, since the Emergency Code does not apply to COVID-19, the powers bestowed upon the Governor in Section 7301 are meaningless. But, if we assume, arguendo and for philosophical debate, that the Emergency Code did apply, what powers does the Governor have to regulate firearms and ammunition?
Going back to Section 7301, the General Assembly, in violation of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and Article 1, Sections 21 and 25 of the Pennsylvania Constitution, seemingly provided the Governor with limited power to regulate firearms. Specifically, Section 7301(f)(8) provides:
(f) Additional powers.–In addition to any other powers conferred upon the Governor by law, the Governor may: …
(8) Suspend or limit the sale, dispensing or transportation of alcoholic beverages, firearms, explosives and combustibles.
BUT, the General Assembly would later address the concern of seizure post-Katrina by enacting 18 Pa.C.S. § 6107(b), which provides:
(b) Seizure, taking and confiscation.–Except as otherwise provided under subsection (a) and notwithstanding the provisions of 35 Pa.C.S. Ch. 73 (relating to Commonwealth services) or any other provision of law to the contrary, no firearm, accessory or ammunition may be seized, taken or confiscated during an emergency unless the seizure, taking or confiscation would be authorized absent the emergency.
c) Definitions.–As used in this section, the following words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this subsection:
“Accessory.” Any scope, sight, bipod, sling, light, magazine, clip or other related item that is attached to or necessary for the operation of a firearm.
“Firearm.” The term includes any weapon that is designed to or may readily be converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive or the frame or receiver of any weapon.
Nevertheless, it is time that Pennsylvania that we enact HB-1412 (permitting constitutional carry), HB-1747 (generally repealing 18 Pa.C.S. 6107 and removing “firearms” from 35 Pa.C.S. § 7301(f)(8)), and HB-303 (generally repealing the unconstitutional transportation laws). So, while you are self-quarantined, take a few minutes and contact your elected officials and demand that they enact these bills immediately (in addition to HB 1066 (preempting local regulation of firearms and providing for attorney fees and costs))! Many county sheriffs, in violation of their oaths and 18 Pa.C.S. § 5301, are refusing to issue licenses to carry firearms; thereby, placing individuals in harms way during a time where they need the ability to defend themselves the most
The Governor has effectively shut down I-80 to long distance traffic without technically ordering it. Just did a quick trans-Mississippi River back and forth on I-80. On the way out, Service Plaza restaurants in OH, IN, ILL were only serving food on a take out basis, but public food court areas were sealed off and "dining in" were closed. Restrooms open. Same way on the return except: Wolf ordered all State Rest Areas closed. None were open. Blocked off. No portable johns. No place to rest. Motorists can always get off I-80 at exits for fuel, restaurants, and restrooms if necessary. BUT.
But his order yesterday he stopped restaurants from keeping dining areas open, which basically means, the restrooms in those areas are closed to the public too. A private restaurant is not like a Service Plaza with a separate area for common restrooms. If they have to close their dining areas to the public, the restrooms are part of the package. Did Wolf and his brain trust consider the implications?
So, Wolf and other autocrats are capable of basically shutting down interstate travel by their edicts without being quite so visible about it. They probably would stop short of directly attempting to control interstate commerce and receive a legal challenge on that, but they can, and in PA, Wolf has, effectively shut it down by cobbling together a series of lesser orders.
So folks, unless you pack a lunch and have an iron bladder, getting through PA from OH to NJ on I-80 is quite the adventure. Technically it is open, but as a practical matter it is not. I would venture to guess that over the road travel was half in volume from what I am used to seeing. Trucks outnumbered passenger cars about 2 to 1. I know because I could count them going by in the other direction, that is how light the traffic was.
Next crisis: The next "Great Depression". What do these governors think they are going to do in a few more months, rescind their orders, snap their fingers and have everything just open up like normal. The businesses are going to be bankrupt, gone, not there -- especially the small ones.
The operations was successful, but the patient died.
I don't see this as being a good analogy. The patient was going to died anyway.
Look at it this way, we decided to sacrifice our economy to stop (or slow) this virus, instead of letting nature take its course.
The 1918 flu was ranked fourth on the economic disaster scale, ahead of the Great Depression, and yet, a hundred years later, the population has grown, quite a bit.
The timetable for these occurrences might become shorter as the population keeps growing.
A government that does not know what to do but feels it must do something will sometimes do the wrong thing, like PA closing all the rest areas on the turnpike. ( the trucking companies made them reopen a third of them).
I'm no fan of Wolf but I think he (or his legal team) understands the law. That's why all of this 'shutdown' for private business is suggested/encouraged/recommended. The media are the entities using words like mandated and required. Wolf also stated there will be no enforcing the closures because he knows he can't.
Perhaps he had legal power to close public schools though?
Are mayors of PA cities mandated to abide by those same sections of the PA law?
Gov. Wolf orders 'non life-sustaining' businesses in Pa. to close starting Thursday night
https://www.wfmz.com/health/coronavi...712b56fc4.html
So why doesn't the state stores have a drive thru?
What entity is going to enforce this? PSP, county, local PD, NG? And how? Some commie local PD guy sees me driving my company truck around, pulls me over and arrests me for "working"?