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Question regarding PGC summary citation issued at SGL 183
A few weeks ago, I was issued a citation for violating 34 § 721§§ A - Control of Property Regulations. The story basically unfolds as follows:
1. Saturday morning around 0900, I was in the process of shooting paper targets at a 25 yard range with a suppressed 1911. There were other people there who were from out of state shooting more than 6 rounds per firearm.
2. I had also brought with me an AR pistol that had a binary trigger in it. I had recently installed a new linear compensator. However as the linear is still loud on a 7.5" barrel, I took the pistol with 5 rounds in the magazine to the 50 yard line to be considerate. I however did not have a paper target attached to the backboard. Instead, I aimed and fired at the rubber backboard where paper targets are normally stapled to. This was just done to test the new brake.
3. It was shortly after this that a game commission officer approached me and asked to see my ID, range permit, plus NFA paperwork. I was polite and complied. He briefly looked at copies of my form 4's and handed them back while holding on to my ID. He also approached the out of towners and asked for their ID's.
4. He left for about 10 minutes and came back. He proceeds to give the out-of-towners a warning stating that they're only allowed to have a max of 6 rounds in the magazine. He then comes back to me and says he's cutting me a break for "shooting more than 6 rounds out of a weapon with a binary trigger" (which is complete BS since I only had 5 in the mag), but instead goes on to tell me he's citing me for not having a paper target up.
Cut to today, and the postman delivers the citation. The fine is in the amount of $198.25.
Yes, I will admit I was wrong by not having a paper target attached to the backboard, but I was in no way intentionally aiming at the wood supports themselves; just the rubber backing. As such, I'll pay the fine if I have to. My question is this however: what are the ramifications to pleading guilty on a summary case in the state of PA? Is it similar to just paying a fine on a speeding ticket, or is this considered a criminal offense that will remain on my public record forever? Will pleading guilty have any negative consequences for me legally down the road?
Should I contact an attorney, or just pay the fine and move on with my life?
BTW, I apologize if I posted this in the wrong area. Wasn't quite sure which section this would best go to.
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Re: Question regarding PGC summary citation issued at SGL 183
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amstel78
A few weeks ago, I was issued a citation for violating 34 § 721§§ A - Control of Property Regulations. The story basically unfolds as follows:
1. Saturday morning around 0900, I was in the process of shooting paper targets at a 25 yard range with a suppressed 1911. There were other people there who were from out of state shooting more than 6 rounds per firearm.
2. I had also brought with me an AR pistol that had a binary trigger in it. I had recently installed a new linear compensator. However as the linear is still loud on a 7.5" barrel, I took the pistol with 5 rounds in the magazine to the 50 yard line to be considerate. I however did not have a paper target attached to the backboard. Instead, I aimed and fired at the rubber backboard where paper targets are normally stapled to. This was just done to test the new brake.
3. It was shortly after this that a game commission officer approached me and asked to see my ID, range permit, plus NFA paperwork. I was polite and complied. He briefly looked at copies of my form 4's and handed them back while holding on to my ID. He also approached the out of towners and asked for their ID's.
4. He left for about 10 minutes and came back. He proceeds to give the out-of-towners a warning stating that they're only allowed to have a max of 6 rounds in the magazine. He then comes back to me and says he's cutting me a break for "shooting more than 6 rounds out of a weapon with a binary trigger" (which is complete BS since I only had 5 in the mag), but instead goes on to tell me he's citing me for not having a paper target up.
Cut to today, and the postman delivers the citation. The fine is in the amount of $198.25.
Yes, I will admit I was wrong by not having a paper target attached to the backboard, but I was in no way intentionally aiming at the wood supports themselves; just the rubber backing. As such, I'll pay the fine if I have to. My question is this however: what are the ramifications to pleading guilty on a summary case in the state of PA? Is it similar to just paying a fine on a speeding ticket, or is this considered a criminal offense that will remain on my public record forever? Will pleading guilty have any negative consequences for me legally down the road?
Should I contact an attorney, or just pay the fine and move on with my life?
Same as a traffic citation.
Having used PGC ranges at various times for PSP qualification and talking to WCOs, they have a real problem with people indiscriminately shooting up range facilities. Not only frames and hangers but buildings and pavilions. You are an unfortunate victim of those that are complete assholes when they get a gun in their hands. WCOs are hardcore about enforcing range rules.
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Re: Question regarding PGC summary citation issued at SGL 183
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unclejumbo
Same as a traffic citation.
Having used PGC ranges at various times for PSP qualification and talking to WCOs, they have a real problem with people indiscriminately shooting up range facilities. Not only frames and hangers but buildings and pavilions. You are an unfortunate victim of those that are complete assholes when they get a gun in their hands. WCOs are hardcore about enforcing range rules.
Yes, that's the reason the WCO gave me when justifying his need to give me a citation.
I'm not contradicting it in this case - I clearly didn't have a paper target up on the 50. But what gets me in my case is the selective enforcement of the rules. He let the non-PA people walk with a warning but yet I get a citation. Most everyone at SGL 183 knows me as I'm usually a Sunday morning regular. They can attest that I always consciously try to abide by the rules. This was certainly a lapse in judgement on my part.
Anyway, I just wanted to know if pleading guilty to this thing is the same as a misdemeanor or other crime in Pennsylvania. I ask because this is the first time I've actually received a citation of any kind in PA. I've never even had a traffic ticket. So I really don't know what's at stake here if I plead guilty or no-contest.
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You must use a paper target. You have a time requirement between shots. These rules are how they limit range destruction. You knew the rules. Just because someone else is breaking the rules, doesn’t mean your allowed to also. I’m guessing binaries are not allowed. His false statement and claim of cutting you a break doesn’t effect anything except to piss you off. Game wardens have more powers than police in enforcing game law. Don’t give them a reason to screw with you. He could take your stuff.
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Gunsnwater
You must use a paper target. You have a time requirement between shots. These rules are how they limit range destruction. You knew the rules. Just because someone else is breaking the rules, doesn’t mean your allowed to also. I’m guessing binaries are not allowed. His false statement and claim of cutting you a break doesn’t effect anything except to piss you off. Game wardens have more powers than police in enforcing game law. Don’t give them a reason to screw with you. He could take your stuff.
Yes. I know the rules; mea culpa. I had a paper target up on the 25 yard line but since I didn't want to be "that guy" that blows peoples ear drums out, I went to the 50 to test 5 rounds in rapid succession. The people at the 25 were still shooting, and I didn't want to call a cease fire just for a quick 2 second function test. Its now turned out to be the most expensive 2 seconds of my life (except for the time I said "I do" during my wedding).
For what it's worth regarding the binary - he never mentioned it as not being restricted at a public range. In fact, he even asked what brand binary I had as he was interested in getting one himself. As for him saying that I fired more than 6 rounds - I'd like to think he just miscounted.
Anyway, the conversation was a professional and courteous one. I too reciprocated in kind. I guess I'll just pay the fine and move on with my life.
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Yeah sucks but lesson learned I guess. I am not comfortable at game land ranges. They are too restrictive for me and too much b.s. goes on at them.
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I met my first wco last month in Berks county after using 5 different ranges over the past 7 years. He was actually friendly both to me and the others who had a steel target downrange that they got a warning for.
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Doing a bit more reading - it seems I'm being charged with a summary offense of the 5th degree under the PA Game and Wildlife Code. I assume this is different than being charged with a similar summary offense category under the Pennsylvania criminal code? Doing a google search on PA summary offenses makes me believe that this is something that could appear on my record for at minimum 5 years as a criminal offense, but they don't make a distinction whether the repercussions are the same depending on which code one is being charged against.
I'd like to think that because I'm being charged under the wildlife code, that this would be treated somewhat differently then say someone charged with retail theft or drunk and disorderly? Any PA attorneys in the house that could clarify this?
Edit: I saw this link which is why I'm hesitant to plead guilty: https://www.arjalaw.com/Summary-Offenses.shtml
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Though a summary offense under the Pennsylvania Crimes Code or the Wildlife Code is by far the least serious of the categorized criminal offenses, it is important to note that if you have been charged with a nontraffic summary offense, you have been charged with a crime under Pennsylvania law. Because the nontraffic summary citation you receive in the mail appears similar to a traffic citation, many individuals simply elect to plead guilty and pay the fine. While in some cases this is an appropriate course of action, it is important to bear in mind that a guilty plea to a summary offense will result in a minor criminal conviction on your record and the conviction will be visible to schools, employers and professional licensure boards. Furthermore, it may result in suspension of your driver's license or, under the Game and Wildlife Code, suspension of your hunting privileges.
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Cut to the chase,and Pay the Fine and get on with life and less mulling over the ramifications of Getting Attorneys and fighting this in court,could go on for a year or more.Your peace of mind is worth $ 200 !
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MARINE DIVISION TWO
Cut to the chase,and Pay the Fine and get on with life and less mulling over the ramifications of Getting Attorneys and fighting this in court,could go on for a year or more.Your peace of mind is worth $ 200 !
I'd be more than happy to pay the fine if once done, that's it. But did you see my edit in the post right above yours? The potential long-term repercussions of pleading guilty is really the only thing I'm concerned about.
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amstel78
I'd be more than happy to pay the fine if once done, that's it. But did you see my edit in the post right above yours? The potential long-term repercussions of pleading guilty is really the only thing I'm concerned about.
That being the cite,Consult with an Attorney ! GUNLAWYER on this site can give you the correct info you want and protections if required !
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Re: Question regarding PGC summary citation issued at SGL 183
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amstel78
I'd be more than happy to pay the fine if once done, that's it. But did you see my edit in the post right above yours? The potential long-term repercussions of pleading guilty is really the only thing I'm concerned about.
I understand your animosity on this and if you want peace of mind you could spend the $100 it would cost to chat with a lawyer on it.
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I had multiple summary violations for my dog running at large while in college. My roommates would open a window and the SOB would make his escape. That didn't cause any ill effects on my becoming a Trooper. Mostly, a summary offense is no different than a traffic citation. It's a criminal conviction only in that it was written in regards to a criminal statute as opposed to Title 75 which is the vehicle code.
There are some caveats to that. Retail theft if small enough is a summary offense but you will be fingerprinted and another conviction will be a misdemeanor regardless of dollar amount. As far as a "rap sheet" goes, at least when I retired, no fingerprints meant nothing on your criminal history. Searching your name under the Unified Judicial System will bring up all summary offenses if that's what the searcher is looking for. But, like all things, circumstances matter. If you're doing something dishonest, that will be viewed more negatively than a citation for a failure to follow rules.
Knowing what I know, I would pay the fine and get on with my life as opposed to throwing more money at it.
FYI, penalties are always spelled out in the relevant code. They may not be in the particular section, sometimes they may be elsewhere in the chapter.
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Thank you unclejumbo for your post above. It's certainly helped to put my mind at ease. I think I will plead guilty, pay the fine, and chalk it up under one of life's lessons.
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From what I've learned on-line, your PGC summary citation won't amount to anything serious unless it's followed up by another somewhere down the line. The higher the number of offenses, the higher the fines will go.
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unclejumbo
. . . As far as a "rap sheet" goes, at least when I retired, no fingerprints meant nothing on your criminal history. . . . .
That's been my understanding as well, that the booking info is what gets sent to the PSP and to the FBI, and is the core of your "record".
Big picture, the Op would lose before a DJ, and probably on appeal as well. There were no exigent circumstances, so all you've got is the argument that it was a de minimus violation, that shooting at a paper target over the backboard instead of directly at the backboard makes no measurable difference to the damage done to backboards in normal shooting. I wouldn't bet the house on a de minimus argument succeeding.
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You know what .... the fine is $198.25.
I think they would want you to keep that ...... they are so loaded with cash , some of which they didn't even know they had ....... and can't be bothered to make sure they get the royalties they are owed from the energy companies ................ how could they possible be bothered or even know if they are missing your $198.25?
https://fox43.com/2019/05/30/auditor...ease-revenues/
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He fined you because he knows that as a PA resident you will pay the fine. They gotta justify their jobs and make money for the PGC. The out of state folks would just trashcan the fine and laugh all the way back to NY/NJ.
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GunLawyer001
That's been my understanding as well, that the booking info is what gets sent to the PSP and to the FBI, and is the core of your "record".
Big picture, the Op would lose before a DJ, and probably on appeal as well. There were no exigent circumstances, so all you've got is the argument that it was a de minimus violation, that shooting at a paper target over the backboard instead of directly at the backboard makes no measurable difference to the damage done to backboards in normal shooting. I wouldn't bet the house on a de minimus argument succeeding.
If I understand correctly then, pleading guilty to this charge essentially amounts to nil as far as an actual criminal record goes?
I was thinking of the same argument if I went before a judge, but the argument would be a weak one based on semantics. I'm pretty sure the judge would have sided with the game commission. Thank you nonetheless for your input and wisdom. It's very much appreciated.
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Boondox
You know what .... the fine is $198.25.
I think they would want you to keep that ...... they are so loaded with cash , some of which they didn't even know they had ....... and can't be bothered to make sure they get the royalties they are owed from the energy companies ................ how could they possible be bothered or even know if they are missing your $198.25?
https://fox43.com/2019/05/30/auditor...ease-revenues/
Just another example of a bureaucratic hot mess I suppose. But, I'm not willing to have a bench warrant for my arrest issued over $198.25.
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amstel78
If I understand correctly then, pleading guilty to this charge essentially amounts to nil as far as an actual criminal record goes?
I was thinking of the same argument if I went before a judge, but the argument would be a weak one based on semantics. I'm pretty sure the judge would have sided with the game commission. Thank you nonetheless for your input and wisdom. It's very much appreciated.
I wouldn't say "nil", since (a) when asked about any arrests or citations or convictions, you'd have to read the question carefully, and (b) in the age of computers, anything could end up being accessible at the touch of a button.
I recall hearing that certain county officials can put in any name and get a list of every bank account opened by that person, anywhere. It's supposed to make it easier to hold deadbeat dads accountable. But think about the other implications, and what the FBI did with the FISA court. If I get a judgment against somebody, I have to go to every bank and ask if that person has any accounts there (unless you believe that deadbeats answer interrogatories honestly.) Takes hours of work, weeks of waiting. The govt can do it instantly.
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amstel78
But, I'm not willing to have a bench warrant for my arrest issued over $198.25.
I would agree. Just me taking a cheap shot at the PA Road and Gate commission.
FWIW and that may not be much. I have never been directly involved but it is well rumored that the DJ in my area for as long as I can recall has very often sided against the PA GAME COMM.,
I had an issue in which I had been looking forward to pushing had I got pinched. It involved what was legal to hunt with , etc .....
It may be penny wise pound foolish , but I'd probably push it , esp with the rumors in my area ..... and since I wouldn't consider it much of a hassle.
But I certainly understand you may be dealing with a different point of view and/or circumstances.
I'd at least find another place to shoot if possible. being restricted to a Game range would suck I think.
Good luck , none the less.
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GunLawyer001
I wouldn't say "nil", since (a) when asked about any arrests or citations or convictions, you'd have to read the question carefully, and (b) in the age of computers, anything could end up being accessible at the touch of a button.
I recall hearing that certain county officials can put in any name and get a list of every bank account opened by that person, anywhere. It's supposed to make it easier to hold deadbeat dads accountable. But think about the other implications, and what the FBI did with the FISA court. If I get a judgment against somebody, I have to go to every bank and ask if that person has any accounts there (unless you believe that deadbeats answer interrogatories honestly.) Takes hours of work, weeks of waiting. The govt can do it instantly.
Yes, I understand your point completely. From a firearm owner's perspective however, a guilty plea in this matter shouldn't preclude me from being able to answer NO to questions pertaining to arrests or convictions on a 4473 or an ATF form 1 or 4 right? At least that's my understanding after having read those questions. I'm curios as I recently acquired two suppressors (took 13 months to receive the stamps from the ATF). Should I want to purchase another can down the road or build an SBR, I imagine this incident wouldn't cause any undue complications with a federal background check?
I also assume I'd have no problem renewing my PA LTCF when the time comes?
Apologies if it sounds like I'm going in circles with my questioning; just want to do my due diligence. I'm still leaning towards just pleading guilty and mailing a check tomorrow. Will sleep on it tonight.
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HarmonyHermit
He fined you because he knows that as a PA resident you will pay the fine. They gotta justify their jobs and make money for the PGC. The out of state folks would just trashcan the fine and laugh all the way back to NY/NJ.
No. That's only probably partially true. It is realistic to expect out of towners to blow off a citation. But it is also realistic for the WCOto see that the OP was a local, which in conjunction with his knowledge of firearms laws as it pertains to surpressors and binary triggers, should be reasonably familiar with PGC range rules. Was the WCO being overzealous? Perhaps. Maybe Jo Bob Sixpack and his squirrely shotgun shooting clays at the listol range might not know SGL range regs, but it is reasonable to expect someone who can quote NFA to you to know them and follow them.
Is it discretionary and subjective? Sure is. but I remind my two daughters that I know how smart they are and what they were taught and who taught it to them. They get far less leeway in screwing up than I give the rest of their moronic cohort. As elder daughter explained to a friend just last week about the topic, "Yeah. My dad's response would be 'Well, he's not my kid'."
There may be hope for her yet!
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Sandcut
But it is also realistic for the WCOto see that the OP was a local, which in conjunction with his knowledge of firearms laws as it pertains to surpressors and binary triggers, should be reasonably familiar with PGC range rules. Was the WCO being overzealous? Perhaps. Maybe Jo Bob Sixpack and his squirrely shotgun shooting clays at the listol range might not know SGL range regs, but it is reasonable to expect someone who can quote NFA to you to know them and follow them.
Good point; one I didn't consider from the WCO's perspective. Well, like I said before - mea culpa. This one is truly on me, and I'll freely admit that. Trust me when I say I've been beating myself up over it the last couple of weeks because I really do try to abide by the laws of the land (even if I don't agree with some of them) to the best of my abilities. :(
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Take that citation and have it enlarged and make 11x17 photocopies.
Use them as targets from here on out.
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amstel78
Good point; one I didn't consider from the WCO's perspective. Well, like I said before - mea culpa. This one is truly on me, and I'll freely admit that. Trust me when I say I've been beating myself up over it the last couple of weeks because I really do try to abide by the laws of the land (even if I don't agree with some of them) to the best of my abilities. :(
I can understand that. I got a speeding ticket once in Montana (for going 36 mph in a 25 mph zone with the only speed limit sign hidden behind a tree. I went in to the office just to pay the fine until it came time to sign and it said "By signing this you are pleading guilty to the misdemeanor offense......" It turns out that everything in Montana is a misdemeanor, speeding tickets, fishing violations like being 1" too short, etc.
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In my opinion, the WCO was being nit picky. Unless you just want to pay $200, I'd take a hearing with the local magistrate. Explain what you were doing and see what happens. You might get lucky and have the charge dismissed. You can't be found more guilty be taking the hearing.
Yes, the law says you cannot shoot at anything other than a paper target on the backer, but sheesh.....that's really being anal. Unless he saw you shooting the target frame or something along those lines.
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Emptymag
Take that citation and have it enlarged and make 11x17 photocopies.
Use them as targets from here on out.
FANTASTIC.
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Thanks for everyone's input. I've decided to plead out and pay the fine. There's no guaranteed positive outcome if I try my case in front of a judge, but I will surely lose an entire day of work. My time is far more valuable.
Lesson learned for sure. And yes, I do have access to a private range, but it's really only good for pistols which is why I go to the public SGL most times.
Thanks again to all. Hope everyone here has a great day.
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Phil,
I remember Spiro Agnew pleading no - contest
http://www.nolocontendere.org/historyofnolo.html
https://www.nytimes.com/1973/10/11/a...lea-of-no.html
Is it possible to plead no-contest vs guilty?
Would that have any benefit?
I have scratched out the guilty option on some mail-in tickets before and hand-written "no contest".
The checks were always cashed
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markshere2
I was very tempted to do what you just described; scratch out guilty and replace with nolo contendere. I didn't though because I was worried they wouldn't accept it and issue a warrant for my arrest.
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HarmonyHermit
He fined you because he knows that as a PA resident you will pay the fine. They gotta justify their jobs and make money for the PGC. The out of state folks would just trashcan the fine and laugh all the way back to NY/NJ.
My thought too on first reading.
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Steve in PA
In my opinion, the WCO was being nit picky. Unless you just want to pay $200, I'd take a hearing with the local magistrate. Explain what you were doing and see what happens. You might get lucky and have the charge dismissed. You can't be found more guilty be taking the hearing.
Yes, the law says you cannot shoot at anything other than a paper target on the backer, but sheesh.....that's really being anal. Unless he saw you shooting the target frame or something along those lines.
I agree .....and then he let the out of towners slide......... the game comm is at a point when they have brought a lot of things upon themselves ............. you'd think they would want to start making repairs ......................... but it's still us vs them type of thing.
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I only shoot at the SGL ranges in the fall, getting my guns ready for hunting season. I've been at the range and a guy will pull up, walk to the range and pop off some rounds downrange. To me, it looks like he is just function testing a firearm. Maybe it's one he worked on or one he is going to buy and wants to make sure it works. As long as it's pointed down range...eh, I don't see the issue. But, the PGC being what it is.....ugh!
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Go back. Put up a paper target and spend an hour shooting all the wood on purpose. Why should he be able to ask for your NFA paperwork? I also don't remember how a rate of fire limitation at the State range. What pisses me off is they write citations for nonsense but do nothing about unsafe behavior. They are more worried about getting money than people getting shot by idiots.
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No paper target up, OK there's the dumbest thing I've heard someone getting cited for. I'd fight it. Shit I go to the local range to check fire shit all the time. I don't put up a target to see if it goes bang.
As for eating it, I got a over mag limit ticket back when then rules came out, Didn't effect dick. Clearance, LTCF/FFL what ever.
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Steve in PA
In my opinion, the WCO was being nit picky. Unless you just want to pay $200, I'd take a hearing with the local magistrate. Explain what you were doing and see what happens. You might get lucky and have the charge dismissed. You can't be found more guilty be taking the hearing.
Yes, the law says you cannot shoot at anything other than a paper target on the backer, but sheesh.....that's really being anal. Unless he saw you shooting the target frame or something along those lines.
I would also take this route. Just plea for some leniency. The fine may get dismissed or reduced. It's worth a shot.
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Yoder
Go back. Put up a paper target and spend an hour shooting all the wood on purpose. Why should he be able to ask for your NFA paperwork? I also don't remember how a rate of fire limitation at the State range. What pisses me off is they write citations for nonsense but do nothing about unsafe behavior. They are more worried about getting money than people getting shot by idiots.
Some people do, which leads to the closure of ranges and unusable ranges because the PGC won't continue to waste money on shitheads.
At the range we used on 944 in Cumberland County-an LEO only range-there were still idiots we'd find on the range that walked passed all of the "No Trespassing" signs after parking at the gate. There was also vandalism on a regular basis with people shooting up the backer frames, the storage building and shooting holes in the pavilion roof.
I'd say they're more worried about trying to maintain a usable facility.
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To keep it in perspective this was at the SGL183 range AKA the Route 6 range......closest range to NY. Do a search in the Pike Co. threads for some backstory.