Is this being talked about and I missed it? Buddy sent me the link said he found a flyer on his car.
http://www.guardiantrainingcenter.com
1528 Campus Drive
Warminster, PA 18974
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Is this being talked about and I missed it? Buddy sent me the link said he found a flyer on his car.
http://www.guardiantrainingcenter.com
1528 Campus Drive
Warminster, PA 18974
Thank you, God!
looks real nice, membership fees are too rich for me but I would check it out.
I drove over there just now. Door locked. No buzzer. Sign on door says "appointment only". Vibe is already shady....ETA: will cop to some user error with the website.
I just phoned them. Current estimate is: facility open in 4 to 6 months. FYI.
As of now the facility only consists of a shoot house and martial arts training. For the martial arts, google "Mick Thornton" and "BOTMA". Just last weekend they held a room clearing class utilizing airsoft guns. I don't have a military or Leo background so I can't evaluate on a professional level, but I thought it was really good. I've been trying to find room clearing training for when I hear that bump in the night or other similar situations, but haven't had found anything nearby. I did the google searches and learned about "slicing the pie", but I thought this was on a whole other level. I'm not exactly ready to be dropped off in Iraq to go door-to-door to take out Isis, but it's given me a great foundation for dealing with indoor situations.
I just saw an advertisement for this facility on Facebook. It is not clear from their website or facebook page if they are open to the public at this time. Has anyone checked them out?
heard there having money issues--
not a good start, hopefully they can turn it around.
The website indicates it's open. I'll check it out this weekend.
A friend and I shot there last night. Decent parking lot, near full. It needs better signage as the GPS gets you close, but you have too look for it. The store section is very bright and well laid out. Friendly, helpful staff. Lots of pistols and rifles to choose from (I did not scope out the pricing). The check in and rental area is large and loaded, again... lost of pistols, shotguns, and rifles to choose from. We shot in the "heavy" bay (25 yards max), where they allow all manner of pistol, rifle and shotgun, including speed shooting and drawing from holster. I would recommend doubling up on your ears, it was loud. Nice high speed, programmable, target system. They have large, life size, printed targets available. Well lit, and kept clean by an on duty RO/attendant. The consent form was a bit much (5 pages, 3 signatures, 8 initials, a ton of check marks), but you only need to read and fill it out once. I did not get to see the "quiet" bay, the "tactical" bay, or the "Shoot House". The are open until 10pm.
Now for the important part... cost. For 2 walk up, non members, shared 1-1/2 hours lane time, (2) 2'x3' targets, (1) pack of 12"x18" splatter targets, (1) rental of Glock 22 (.40 cal), (3) boxes of .40 cal range ammo = $106 out the door. I brought my 2 9mm pistols, targets, and ammo in with no issues (no steel ammo allowed)
I just looked on their website. Membership costs are very expensive. Their most basic membership is sold out. Almost has a gym membership vibe.
However, they do allow members to draw from holster and have tactical sort of range time.
I wouldn't consider any of that unless I were competitive. My first thought is it is only going to take one idiot shooting the floor(if he is lucky) drawing from a holster to end that. Maybe I am wrong.
Membership at the closest range to me is 185$ a year. Hundreds less a year than guardian.
Plus my local range has unlimited guest passes (1 per visit).
-Zach
I know membership is wicked expensive. Yet there is really no other range where you can do any movement at all, or anything realistic.
I still can't decide if I want to do a membership or not. The prices are a little high and the guest pass thing is a little odd.
I signed up. It was everything I hoped for
I went last week with a group of people at the "Heavy range". The inside of the shop itself looks awesome. Layout is very nice. The range itself was cool, has dynamic targets if you want something moving around to shoot at. Didn't try the shoot house but very cool concept to have. Membership is $$$. Don't know how much daily non member rates are as I didn't pay.
If I read their website correctly and they enforce it, certain rooms aren't available to non members. I could be completely wrong.
Seems like a cool concept. I just can't afford it.
-Zach
I went there around 8:00 pm, they close at 10:00 pm and they didn't have any rifle lanes available at 9:30 for me. Luckily, they allowed me to use the pistol range for half an hour for free. I went there prior Saturday around same time and was turned back because the waiting list for lanes was too long. It is just crazy the amount of people who go shooting for hours mid ammo shortage.
It's one of the best ranges that I've been into. Well lit and safe parking lot, well stocked store, polite and not disengaged and disinterested staff, safety officer all the time in all range halls, well ventilated and lit facilities. I really like them, but they are so crazy busy that a membership seems to be more realistic choice now so I can reserve 30-60 min range time. They are 15 miles away from me, so I am not too eager doing that just yet.
This thread is much more entertaining. :)
https://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.p...raining+Center
Probably, I'm not going to go through 50 pages to get to know some place that I can just go and see myself.
Besides, the topic is dead, I can't reply there.
I don't have anything negative to say towards the staff or the facility. That makes them one of my favorite places to go shooting. It is just my experience, and I am not shoving it down anyone's throat.
Yours may be better or worse
Yelp is a bunch of BS. You have to pay them to bury bad reviews. I go to the Guardian Training Center often and have never had a bad experience or unfriendly staff. I have however driven-up and seen how crowded it is and then left. I'm sure this year has been a great $$$ one for them.
I shot there many time over this past year, I have the silver membership so I can reserve lanes which is very helpful. I have yet to have an unpleasant experience there. The ranges are clean, well lit, and the target system is great. The ROs have always been quick to keep everyone safe without being rude or acting superior over anyone. I will most likely be dropping my membership when the year is up though. It has nothing to do with the facility or employees, just a work schedule issue.
I was looking forward to trying them out, then I made the mistake of reading through their facebook reviews.
Wow, it's like having a psycho ex girlfriend, but much worse. Wow.
My neighbor who seems to love coming up and striking conversational small talk whenever he spots me outside busy with something told me he went a few days ago.He mentioned an employee there yelling at a customer as if he was a drill instructor.That passionate fellow must have been the psycho owner.
I've been a member there since May and have never encountered anyone yelling at anyone else. I had the "luxury" of being there before and during/after major national protests. New people showing up our of nowhere who have no clue about guns, looking to practice self-defense without any training at all. GTC staff are all about risk mitigation which is desperately needed for those who take self-defense and TRAINING seriously. Pricing is reasonable, they've upped their marketing on social media which is nice, and have hired a bunch of new people.
That's nice and all, but this seems to be the only business on the planet where ALL negative reviews are some sort of conspiracy by their competitors to destroy them.
Quite a coincidence.
Read their comments to any negative review and tell me that those come from someone you'd like to give your money to. Such a shame, sounds like they have good equipment.
Yeah, I completely understand, the difference with me is that I'm not longer reading reviews about the place since I can decide in person. Just saying, based on what I've seen, my experiences there so far have not deterred me in going back or recommending to others.
There's a pattern to the negative reviews, they all allege poor interpersonal skills which appear to trickle down from the top, "Chris S.", who seems to make the guy in "Taxi Driver" look like a wise & calm Tibetan monk by comparison. I've never related well to men who obsess about the penises of other men in their insults and conversations:
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". . . This was horrible service, his tone was as arrogant and rude as most gun store employees whom have no education and lack specialized knowledge about firearms. If you check the replies from this business only these review, you'll understand why there is a lack of professionalism and service. Just read the disrespect and lack of patience. Although I'm a NRA member, gin enthusiast, and USSCA member - not everyone has the knowledge or experience, hence it gives our community an aweful reputation . As beautiful as these pictures and range features are - in my experience - Its super overpriced. I'd be willing to swallow it, if the service was better.
Chris S. Business Owner 12/13/2020
If you told us you swallowed up front, the service would have been better.
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Chris S. Business Owner 12/1/2020
Look Greg,
We know you have a problem....
ED is nothing to be ashamed about. Its the inability to achieve or sustain an erection suitable for sexu@l activity. Causes include medications, chronic illnesses, poor blood flow to the baby-maker, drinking too much, being too tired, or being an entitled prjck.
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https://www.yelp.com/biz/guardian-tr...ter-warminster
Going back to their unpleasant history here on PAFOA and on Facebook and on Yelp, the reaction of this business to any criticism is like the shrill barking of a yappy cornered poodle, using obvious sockpuppets and bizarre personal attacks. That's not what you want from someone in the gun industry, that's the kind of personality that you end up reading about in the national news after an "incident".
Seems like the owner is newly energized, a bunch of even crazier (just go read) review replies in Yelp all with 12/29 dates.
There has to be a well documented medical issue going on. This is not even funny anymore.
"Chris S." is ban-happy, apparently.
We'd ban him here, but he keeps signing up under fake names, so it's just easier to let him post. Also, it may someday be evidence at his trial.
Honestly, the guy needs a trusted friend to tell him to act like an adult. Tell him to "read what you just posted for the world to read, and do you really want to make it look like your worst enemy hacked your computer to make you look like a crazed sociopathic asshole?" He already used that excuse once, that someone else used his work computer to sign up here under multiple names, so that probably won't fly a second time. Heck, it was pretty transparent the first time. It's a strategy used by woke libs, claiming "somebody hacked my computer and cell phone". Be a man, post under your own real name, take responsibility for what you do in this life. It's what adults do.
After meeting him, I can confirm that nobody hacked his stuff. He literally is that much of an on/off switch.
I had read everything on here, and was going there for a few years regardless. The staff there has always been top notch. Range clean, uncrowded, offering things that nobody else does. Lots of inventory on accessories.
Then I had to deal with Chris, which was absurd. Now none of my friends go there, I don't go there, and it just confirms everything I read on here.
It is apparent Chris S of Guardian Training Center is lacking when it comes to having business or financial experience. The basic concepts of customer retention and maintaining a steady revenue stream are obviously foreign to him.
The disgraceful way he treats his customers judging from the negative consumer reviews to his unprofessional responses is disturbing. It is without a doubt that Chris S is a trust fund baby and “daddy” pays for everything, including the circus that is known as Guardian Training Center. When there are no new influx of customers and his one “pump and dump” revenue streams have evaporated, we can all rejoice when Guardian Training Center goes out of business or files a Chapter 11. I doubt this trust fund baby has an infinite supply of “daddy’s” money and at some point it will be non-existent. At some point “daddy” will realize how much of a liability Chris S is and cut him off. He can intimidate and use his keyboard commando employees to harass and threaten people but the ending will be the same....Guardian Training Center LLC closing its doors permanently due to financial insolvency. I am normally an avid supporter of small businesses, but it gives me such a hard-on knowing the owner Chris S is steering his tacticool lemon of a business into financial ruin. Chris S puts the “douche” in the word fiduciary.
I have no evidence that any of that is true, or untrue.
However, I've met people who were in charge of businesses for reasons having nothing to do with skill or talent. I worked in my youth at a pizza place where the manager was the owner's girlfriend, and she was terrible; for that matter, the owner was terrible (he'd fire her whenever they had a spat, and then re-hire her, and it was as fun to work in those conditions as you'd imagine), and the rumor was that the owner was fronting for the Mafia, as is apparently often the case in the pizza biz, providing a way to launder all sorts of ill-gotten cash. Product manufactured on-site, lots of cash, no receipts. I once lived in a small town of less than 10,000 people where there were easily a dozen pizza restaurants within bicycle distance.
A kid I went to school with got a couple Burger King franchises as a graduation present. No idea if his daddy cultivated the necessary business skills in him for the 1st 18 years.
So yeah, it's possible to meet someone with no business sense, no P.R. skills, no employee-handling skills, but in charge of a business, just like a post turtle. On the other hand, Bill Gates is an asshole who couldn't even bathe himself, everyone around him found him disgusting (except for his wife, who apparently found the billions of dollars to be distracting). Gates made his own money through a combination of ruthlessness and single-minded focus, and by hiring people with skills that he could exploit. gates is now retired and trying to buy a stairway to heaven, and reportedly plans to "dim the Sun" to fight man-caused global climate change.