Phila. Police seize 50 guns from old man- no Red Flags laws needed

As of 4pm, no charges have been filed.

https://6abc.com/more-than-50-guns-g...-home/5499831/

More than 50 guns, grenades, pipe bomb, liquid mercury found inside Philadelphia home
PHILADELPHIA (WPVI) -- Danny Kravitz says things are usually pretty uneventful in his neighborhood in the Bustleton section of Northeast Philadelphia.

"It's a very quiet neighborhood," said Kravitz "You never have any trouble."

But there seemed to be big trouble on Wednesday night, as police blocked off the 9700 block of Northeast Avenue. Neighbors like Kravitz wondered what was going on. It didn't take them long to find out that police had found a cache of weapons in the house just down the street.

"They found more and more weapons throughout the house," said Chief Inspector Scott Small. "In the basement, every room, the attic, crawlspace, living room, dining room, bedrooms."

Chopper 6 was overhead as officers began removing guns from the home.

Investigators found more than 50 guns. One of them appeared to be an assault rifle. Police also found what appeared to be a pipe bomb, 1,000 rounds of ammunition, a jar of liquid mercury and ten grenades. All of the grenades inert, meaning that they did not contain explosive mechanisms.

Philadelphia's Acting Police Commissioner says officers discovered the *reason why the man had so many weapons.

"It appears that he could have been a broker or dealer of guns in the past," said Christine Coulter, acting Philadelphia Police commissioner. "I don't think it's a nefarious situation that the guns were there."

Officers came to the house after the family of the 72year old man who lives there called police at about 4:30 pm saying they'd found a suicide note. The family was worried about the man's mental state.

"I'm grateful for the family member that step forward and said there could be a problem here looking out for his father's interest," said Coulter.

The man went to the hospital for a mental evaluation as officers complied with the family's request- to take the guns for safekeeping.

Police were at the home for more than seven hours.

The guns are in the hands of the police department's Forearms Identification Unit. They'll run the serial numbers on the guns to make sure none of them had been stolen or used to commit a crime.

Now that neighbors do know what was inside, they're glad police did get that call to the unassuming house right down the street.

"Thank God for that," said Kravitz. "Thank God."

Amateur

Have fun getting them back.

Wait, who doesn't have a jar of mercury? Geez, can't have any fun anymore.

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”Thank God for that," said Kravitz. "Thank God."

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Thank god for what? All the firearms were completely legal and the rest seems to be inert items which obviously aren’t illegal.

Meanwhile someone two blocks over probably has a human trafficked 10 year old chained to a pipe in the basement.

What a ducking moron!

One of them appeared to be an assault rifle... The horror

1000 rounds to feed 50 guns. Post #2 Duke, go to the head of the class.

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”Thank God for that," said Kravitz. "Thank God."

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Yes sir!


Thank God!

Praise Jesus!

Hail Mary!

Thy will be done!

Hallelujah!

Testify!

Mazol Tov!


How long before the home invasion/robbery?

Mercury is for pikers; he should have married a chemistry teacher like I did :cool:

Poor guy just lost $25 K to the PPD that he's never going to see again.

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Now that neighbors do know what was inside, they're glad police did get that call to the unassuming house right down the street.
"Thank God for that," said Kravitz. "Thank God."

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So for 50 years the guy lived down the street and nothing bad happened. What's the big deal, it's not like he had women chained up in the basement!

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Originally Posted by kobsw

Red Flag at work here, all accusations were just that.

I hope none of you guys have had a dustup with a lib family member because I have and I'm just waiting for my turn to make the news.

Good luck to all,

Kobsw

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I can hear Shitwood now. PAFOA militia member had an arsenal with military assault rifles and thousand rounds of ammo. No one in the neighborhood expected anything like this to happen on their street.

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Originally Posted by streaker69

Wait, who doesn't have a jar of mercury? Geez, can't have any fun anymore.

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But he had 'LIQUID' mercury!

(he should have kept it below −38.83 °C)

This is so scary.
How can you joke about this?
The police should be checking EVERY home!
GRENADES! HE HAD GRENADES, PEOPLE!

I just don't know how I can get any sleep at night, knowing that guns could be in the house next door!

He had liquid mercury? Shut the front door! They'd best hurry over to 1288 Valley Forge Road Phoenixville, PA 19460 and scrub the area 'cause we must have spilt some of it somewhere there three life sentences ago. Oh the horror!

I always cringe when I see how the police handle people’s gun collections
Holding 3 or 4 together like a bundle of sticks

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Originally Posted by JDC

I always cringe when I see how the police handle people’s gun collections
Holding 3 or 4 together like a bundle of sticks

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You mean a bundle of MASS KILLING sticks?

I hope the melt them down and use them to make a homosexual-love statue to display in the park!

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Originally Posted by JDC

I always cringe when I see how the police handle people’s gun collections
Holding 3 or 4 together like a bundle of sticks

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From new/unissued to very good plus, by the time they're in the evidence locker. :mad:

Guy at work was shocked too. ''They use that stuff to make exploding bullets!''

If your lucky they won’t be scratched and dented

Staged hyperventilation in advance of the public hearings. 50 guns barely qualifies as collection. This is such bullshit. "Cache"? "1,000 rounds"? Give me a break. The media are the enemy of the people. If he tried to dispose of the mercury, he'd have been charged with some environmental felony.

When will leftists understand that you can really only effectively use one firearm at a time. The question is rhetorical, they will never understand.

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Originally Posted by Wilderness 1864

Staged hyperventilation in advance of the public hearings. 50 guns barely qualifies as collection. This is such bullshit. "Cache"? "1,000 rounds"? Give me a break. The media are the enemy of the people. If he tried to dispose of the mercury, he'd have been charged with some environmental felony.

When will leftists understand that you can really only effectively use one firearm at a time. The question is rhetorical, they will never understand.

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DO THE MATH, YOU RIGHT WING NUT JOB!
FIFTY GUNS! FIFTY! AND ONE THOUSAND BULLETS!

THAT'S FIFTY THOUSAND LIVES SAVED!
PROBABLY FIFTY MILLION THOUSAND IF YOU ADD THE EXPLOSIVES!

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Originally Posted by Emptymag

DO THE MATH, YOU RIGHT WING NUT JOB!
FIFTY GUNS! FIFTY! AND ONE THOUSAND BULLETS!

THAT'S FIFTY THOUSAND LIVES SAVED!
PROBABLY FIFTY MILLION THOUSAND IF YOU ADD THE EXPLOSIVES!

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I suppose that is possible in the fevered mind of a RINO/Democrat. The shooter simply has to harvest the bullets from his first 1,000 kills and then feed them through repeatedly in each of his other firearms and just like that, you hit 50,000! :)

I saw this on the evening news and had a major wtf moment. No laws were broken. No charges filed. Why the fuck did they take all his guns? This is cut and dry illegal search and seizure. I hope the dude buys a few cans and a full auto or two with his settlement from the Phila PD.

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Originally Posted by Handyandy

I saw this on the evening news and had a major wtf moment. No laws were broken. No charges filed. Why the fuck did they take all his guns? This is cut and dry illegal search and seizure. I hope the dude buys a few cans and a full auto or two with his settlement from the Phila PD.

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Did you miss the part about the suicide note?

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Originally Posted by Handyandy

I saw this on the evening news and had a major wtf moment. No laws were broken. No charges filed. Why the fuck did they take all his guns? This is cut and dry illegal search and seizure. I hope the dude buys a few cans and a full auto or two with his settlement from the Phila PD.

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because someone cared about "HIS WELFARE"... God forbid... He probably pissed off some ungrateful son or daughter who tattletaled……….

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Originally Posted by Emptymag

Did you miss the part about the suicide note?

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Yes?

Edit: wasn't mentioned in the TV news. I see it in the quoted article... Still, doesn't seem like there is any reason to seize all his guns, test fire them and run ballistic tests, etc. Give them to a family member for safe keeping and keep hands off

Hey, two bricks of 22lr is 1000 rounds!

Mercury is one of the best substances to remove lead from barrels.

inert grenades and liquid mercury... wtf? people buy those for the kids and when i was a kid we still played with liquid mercury when we broke it free from stuff.

when you own inert grenades, a welder, powders and safety fuse, is that now constructive intent?

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Originally Posted by Banks

One of them appeared to be an assault rifle... The horror

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Don't forget about the assault mercury!

So, this 72 year old guy is depressed and alone (I see no mention of anyone living with him), and to fix that, his family has the po-po seize him, commit him,. steal all his guns, GRATUITOUSLY notify the world that he had this stuff in his house and nobody's home to protect whatever the police didn't steal, and make him a prohibited person because of the 302 commitment.

This is why people hate their families.

And cops. It's why people hate cops.

There's no legitimate purpose served by the police shedding public light on his private matters. None. I would love to be in a position to take these meddling SJW's and have the cops go through their computers and browsing history, and gratuitously share whatever is found, like "midget wrestling porn" or "repeated searches for pics of fresh corpses" or whatever they wanted to keep private.

Grenade hulls are not grenades. It's simply a lie to claim that they found "grenades". And it serves no bona fide police function to put that in a press release. Or to announce that they took a citizen off for mental evaluation; there's a reason why that kind of medical info is supposed to be confidential, you fucking morons.

Some days, it seems like cops are paid to gather up privately owned guns and arrange them on folding tables for anti-gun media to take photos. And that most Chiefs and Mayors believe that all citizens exist to fund the govt and to be used for PR purposes.

Maybe if cop administrators acted as though they were real public servants, fewer cops would get shot in the face on the streets. That's just my thinking, but I bet a whole lot of Philly beat cops agree with me.

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Originally Posted by GunLawyer001

So, this 72 year old guy is depressed and alone (I see no mention of anyone living with him), and to fix that, his family has the po-po seize him, commit him,. steal all his guns, GRATUITOUSLY notify the world that he had this stuff in his house and nobody's home to protect whatever the police didn't steal, and make him a prohibited person because of the 302 commitment.

This is why people hate their families.

And cops. It's why people hate cops.

There's no legitimate purpose served by the police shedding public light on his private matters. None. I would love to be in a position to take these meddling SJW's and have the cops go through their computers and browsing history, and gratuitously share whatever is found, like "midget wrestling porn" or "repeated searches for pics of fresh corpses" or whatever they wanted to keep private.

Grenade hulls are not grenades. It's simply a lie to claim that they found "grenades". And it serves no bona fide police function to put that in a press release. Or to announce that they took a citizen off for mental evaluation; there's a reason why that kind of medical info is supposed to be confidential, you fucking morons.

Some days, it seems like cops are paid to gather up privately owned guns and arrange them on folding tables for anti-gun media to take photos. And that most Chiefs and Mayors believe that all citizens exist to fund the govt and to be used for PR purposes.

Maybe if cop administrators acted as though they were real public servants, fewer cops would get shot in the face on the streets. That's just my thinking, but I bet a whole lot of Philly beat cops agree with me.

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Yes. When I read this article, I feared that his family may be overstepping. Sometimes families interpret "I can't live like this" as having current suicidal ideation with method and intent. I fear that this may be the new trend, where the rights of gun owners, or even wartime relic collectors in this case, get their rights infringed upon more so than others.

The family gets to take over his finances and bleed him dry.

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Originally Posted by fallenleader

inert grenades and liquid mercury... wtf? people buy those for the kids and when i was a kid we still played with liquid mercury when we broke it free from stuff.

when you own inert grenades, a welder, powders and safety fuse, is that now constructive intent?

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If that’s the case, we better get rid of the PVC cutoff scraps and keep less than a pound of nails and screws in the shop! You know, for the kids...

If you have packing peanuts and gasoline you're on constructive possession of napalm.

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Originally Posted by Jhaydeno

If that’s the case, we better get rid of the PVC cutoff scraps and keep less than a pound of nails and screws in the shop! You know, for the kids...

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nuts, bolts, washers, all those little odds and ends you never know you might need, like the little track shelving pins and brackets.

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Originally Posted by streaker69

If you have packing peanuts and gasoline you're on constructive possession of napalm.

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acetone, laquor thinner, carb cleaner. a whole variety of things will melt it
both of these are exactly my point and i can't say what i can't say but you'd love my basement, never you mind the well though, that is for a different thread.
i'll actually be getting my own welder shortly, lot of small repair projects need to be done. haven't done it in years though.

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Originally Posted by Emptymag

Did you miss the part about the suicide note?

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Did the Police confirm that he wrote it?
What did it say?
How did the family get it or know about it? Where did they find it?
If it was a close family why didn't family member try to communicate with the man and find out what is going on?

The story seem to sensationalized on what he had in his crawl space and not enough on the aforementioned details.

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Originally Posted by GunLawyer001

So, this 72 year old guy is depressed and alone (I see no mention of anyone living with him), and to fix that, his family has the po-po seize him, commit him,. steal all his guns, GRATUITOUSLY notify the world that he had this stuff in his house and nobody's home to protect whatever the police didn't steal, and make him a prohibited person because of the 302 commitment.

This is why people hate their families.

And cops. It's why people hate cops.

There's no legitimate purpose served by the police shedding public light on his private matters. None. I would love to be in a position to take these meddling SJW's and have the cops go through their computers and browsing history, and gratuitously share whatever is found, like "midget wrestling porn" or "repeated searches for pics of fresh corpses" or whatever they wanted to keep private.

Grenade hulls are not grenades. It's simply a lie to claim that they found "grenades". And it serves no bona fide police function to put that in a press release. Or to announce that they took a citizen off for mental evaluation; there's a reason why that kind of medical info is supposed to be confidential, you fucking morons.

Some days, it seems like cops are paid to gather up privately owned guns and arrange them on folding tables for anti-gun media to take photos. And that most Chiefs and Mayors believe that all citizens exist to fund the govt and to be used for PR purposes.

Maybe if cop administrators acted as though they were real public servants, fewer cops would get shot in the face on the streets. That's just my thinking, but I bet a whole lot of Philly beat cops agree with me.

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Ever hear of mayors against guns and chiefs against guns? What do you suppose those organizations talk about? This sh*t is planned.

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Originally Posted by Mike_Golf

As of 4pm, no charges have been filed.

https://6abc.com/more-than-50-guns-g...-home/5499831/

More than 50 guns, grenades, pipe bomb, liquid mercury found inside Philadelphia home
PHILADELPHIA (WPVI) -- Danny Kravitz says things are usually pretty uneventful in his neighborhood in the Bustleton section of Northeast Philadelphia.

"It's a very quiet neighborhood," said Kravitz "You never have any trouble."

But there seemed to be big trouble on Wednesday night, as police blocked off the 9700 block of Northeast Avenue. Neighbors like Kravitz wondered what was going on. It didn't take them long to find out that police had found a cache of weapons in the house just down the street.

"They found more and more weapons throughout the house," said Chief Inspector Scott Small. "In the basement, every room, the attic, crawlspace, living room, dining room, bedrooms."

Chopper 6 was overhead as officers began removing guns from the home.

Investigators found more than 50 guns. One of them appeared to be an assault rifle. Police also found what appeared to be a pipe bomb, 1,000 rounds of ammunition, a jar of liquid mercury and ten grenades. All of the grenades inert, meaning that they did not contain explosive mechanisms.

Philadelphia's Acting Police Commissioner says officers discovered the *reason why the man had so many weapons.

"It appears that he could have been a broker or dealer of guns in the past," said Christine Coulter, acting Philadelphia Police commissioner. "I don't think it's a nefarious situation that the guns were there."

Officers came to the house after the family of the 72year old man who lives there called police at about 4:30 pm saying they'd found a suicide note. The family was worried about the man's mental state.

"I'm grateful for the family member that step forward and said there could be a problem here looking out for his father's interest," said Coulter.

The man went to the hospital for a mental evaluation as officers complied with the family's request- to take the guns for safekeeping.

Police were at the home for more than seven hours.

The guns are in the hands of the police department's Forearms Identification Unit. They'll run the serial numbers on the guns to make sure none of them had been stolen or used to commit a crime.

Now that neighbors do know what was inside, they're glad police did get that call to the unassuming house right down the street.

"Thank God for that," said Kravitz. "Thank God."

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OMG Why did they even mention the grenades, which are nothing more than paperweights? It's a good thing they didn't find any toy machine guns or bazookas. The whole neighborhood would be shut down for weeks.