Bucks County Fish and Game. Caving to fudds?
FYI,
I've been a member there for 20 years, always have done a 5 year renewal, received no advance notice of this as a club member.
They just restricted access to the rifle and pistol ranges. Now to use them you need to pay them $30 for an electronic access card by snail mail, which can take them 3 or 4 months when renewing a membership. Changed the membership terms in the middle of the year.
This is supposedly to prevent non-club members from using the club ranges.
However, they are not doing this for the archery ranges or trap ranges, etc., so its obviously not to keep out non-members.
Unfortunately for me the black powder range is in the new restricted area, which is what I use the most. I guess they don't want me using my assault musket.
Looks like they are caving to the Doylestown commies and want to get rid of the evil semi-autos, which is what most people there shoot.
Bucks County Fish and Game has caved to the left.
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They'll learn the hard way.
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They announced the electronic gate access some months ago, and I lined up with a couple hundred other members back in the fall to pick up the new access cards. It had to be in person, we were assured. After waiting for hours to be handed an access card, someone in a decision making capacity decided maybe they could mail the access cards for the rest of the members.
That said, I was under the impression that the move to electronic gate access was made for liability concerns. Did you hear otherwise?
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frankski
They announced the electronic gate access some months ago, and I lined up with a couple hundred other members back in the fall to pick up the new access cards. It had to be in person, we were assured. After waiting for hours to be handed an access card, someone in a decision making capacity decided maybe they could mail the access cards for the rest of the members.
That said, I was under the impression that the move to electronic gate access was made for liability concerns. Did you hear otherwise?
We have electronic gate at pass at Northern Chester County but no extra fee over it unless, maybe if you lose your card. They've had it since I've been a member there and I have to qualms about it.
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frankski
They announced the electronic gate access some months ago, and I lined up with a couple hundred other members back in the fall to pick up the new access cards. It had to be in person, we were assured. After waiting for hours to be handed an access card, someone in a decision making capacity decided maybe they could mail the access cards for the rest of the members.
That said, I was under the impression that the move to electronic gate access was made for liability concerns. Did you hear otherwise?
If that was the reason all of the ranges would require use of the card. The gate would be at the BCFG entrance.
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Walleye Hunter
We have electronic gate at pass at Northern Chester County but no extra fee over it unless, maybe if you lose your card. They've had it since I've been a member there and I have to qualms about it.
I believe it’s a one time fee for the card, not recurring. It is not an inconvenience to swipe the card while driving in.
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ItchyTick
If that was the reason all of the ranges would require use of the card. The gate would be at the BCFG entrance.
Would that work? Aren’t some of the trap events open to non members? Seems that a gate at the entrance would complicate that.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending the club actions. I think some of the rules seem petty, and I’ve had a couple of encounters with range officers with attitudes, but I’ve not seen or heard any hostility towards semis. Semiautomatic rifles and handguns are the most common firearms I see members with, as elsewhere. Do you know of some negative trends at the governance level that I’m not aware of?
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frankski
Would that work? Aren*t some of the trap events open to non members? Seems that a gate at the entrance would complicate that.
Don*t get me wrong, I*m not defending the club actions. I think some of the rules seem petty, and I*ve had a couple of encounters with range officers with attitudes, but I*ve not seen or heard any hostility towards semis. Semiautomatic rifles and handguns are the most common firearms I see members with, as elsewhere. Do you know of some negative trends at the governance level that I*m not aware of?
Gate is left open when there are public events.
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Walleye Hunter
Gate is left open when there are public events.
Yes, I get that, but miscreants could get on the rifle and pistol ranges at those times as well.
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ItchyTick
FYI,
I've been a member there for 20 years, always have done a 5 year renewal, received no advance notice of this as a club member.
They just restricted access to the rifle and pistol ranges. Now to use them you need to pay them $30 for an electronic access card by snail mail, which can take them 3 or 4 months when renewing a membership. Changed the membership terms in the middle of the year.
This is supposedly to prevent non-club members from using the club ranges.
However, they are not doing this for the archery ranges or trap ranges, etc., so its obviously not to keep out non-members.
Unfortunately for me the black powder range is in the new restricted area, which is what I use the most. I guess they don't want me using my assault musket.
Looks like they are caving to the Doylestown commies and want to get rid of the evil semi-autos, which is what most people there shoot.
Bucks County Fish and Game has caved to the left.
That seems odd and underhanded if true.
I*m a Director at my club and we are not authorized to initiate such a change without a majority approval vote from the general membership.
Do you attend meetings and participate in voting for bi-law changes, either in person or electronically?
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frankski
Yes, I get that, but miscreants could get on the rifle and pistol ranges at those times as well.
Would they walk in like they own the place with that many people around? A lot of guys at my club wear their card keys on a lanyard attached somewhere visible. We are also subject to show our card to anyone who asks to see it. We have a about 850 members. It sounds a little Nazi-like but otherwise, we don't have a lot of restrictions that other clubs do.
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JAKIII
That seems odd and underhanded if true.
I*m a Director at my club and we are not authorized to initiate such a change without a majority approval vote from the general membership.
Do you attend meetings and participate in voting for bi-law changes, either in person or electronically?
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JAKIII
That seems odd and underhanded if true.
I*m a Director at my club and we are not authorized to initiate such a change without a majority approval vote from the general membership.
Do you attend meetings and participate in voting for bi-law changes, either in person or electronically?
Haven't been to a meeting since covid started. I believe the public meeting were canceled, although I could be wrong.
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Ours are being zoomed but I don't zoom.
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My single biggest concern is who Bucks County Fish and Game is giving the electronic card access to, as the access is to the pistol and rifle ranges specifically?
Doylestown has been trying to get rid of BCFG for as long as I have been a member there. It was brought up at the club meeting on a regular basis pre-covid. Having the electronic card access will not prevent a member giving a friend their card and gaining access to the ranges. Cards have to be worn by members while on the all the ranges. There are log books at the individual ranges. There are already cameras. But this paper.
Is BCFG giving the electronic access and member information to the Doylestown Police, the State Police or even the Feds?
This is a very serious question, and I would have a hard time believing the club officers if they said no.
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I head the Outdoor marksmanship section at BCF&G. If you come to CMP or Swiss rifle matches, we have meet.
The information on using the range is not available to anyone, except the disciplinary committee and the data security was attended to. They only use it is we have a real disciplinary problem, which we have not had since the gate went into effect on April 1. We do not share the information with anyone. Given the board are all gun owners who take their ow privacy somewhat serious, what makes you think they would share data with anyone?
As to the reason for why we put in the range gates: We had folks coming in who were not members and using the range on a semi regular basis. It was a liability risk. Folks who are not members are much more likely to do something they should not, as they do not value their membership. We have never had an accident and aim to keep it that way. Once we were made aware of this we had to come up with a solution. The membership who bothered to come to the membership meeting were well informed of the status and I think voted to approve the spending for the gates. We would encourage anyone who is a member to come to the membership meeting to voice 1) their opinion, 2) to help craft club policy. Heck the last meeting I was at in may the club president was asking for more participation in archery for one, all activities need more folks to run them.
What keeps a member giving his card to another person is if we catch them, they will no longer be a member. Given the difficulty in finding a local range at our cost, and in the nice spot we are in, well that will more or less self police.
It had nothing to do with semi autos or any effort to ban anything or any nefarious purpose. The board is trying to think ahead and keep the range going for the next generation.
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Frederick303
I head the Outdoor marksmanship section at BCF&G. If you come to CMP or Swiss rifle matches, we have meet.
The information on using the range is not available to anyone, except the disciplinary committee and the data security was attended to. They only use it is we have a real disciplinary problem, which we have not had since the gate went into effect on April 1. We do not share the information with anyone. Given the board are all gun owners who take their ow privacy somewhat serious, what makes you think they would share data with anyone?
As to the reason for why we put in the range gates: We had folks coming in who were not members and using the range on a semi regular basis. It was a liability risk. Folks who are not members are much more likely to do something they should not, as they do not value their membership. We have never had an accident and aim to keep it that way. Once we were made aware of this we had to come up with a solution. The membership who bothered to come to the membership meeting were well informed of the status and I think voted to approve the spending for the gates. We would encourage anyone who is a member to come to the membership meeting to voice 1) their opinion, 2) to help craft club policy. Heck the last meeting I was at in may the club president was asking for more participation in archery for one, all activities need more folks to run them.
What keeps a member giving his card to another person is if we catch them, they will no longer be a member. Given the difficulty in finding a local range at our cost, and in the nice spot we are in, well that will more or less self police.
It had nothing to do with semi autos or any effort to ban anything or any nefarious purpose. The board is trying to think ahead and keep the range going for the next generation.
I guess accidents would never happen at the shotgun or archery ranges, where there was no card access installed? Your explanation doesn't hold water.
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ItchyTick
I guess accidents would never happen at the shotgun or archery ranges, where there was no card access installed? Your explanation doesn't hold water.
Generally no accidents that involve neighbors.
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Doesn't sound much different than my home range here.
Indoor pistol and rifle require electronic access.
Outdoor archery does not.
We don't have a gate anywhere.
We haven't had trap in 3 decades... fuggin' Karens back then put an end to that.
Camera footage, according to bylaws, is only examined if a problem is reported.
Our electronic access is run on a computer so ancient it's on a floppy disk.
I've asked multiple times to try and mine data from it, for the sole purpose of generating a usage "heat map" of the range, since we have some people who "complain" about it being busy, but have been turned down every time.
