Re: Teacher/army vet nailed at Statue of Liberty for revolver in her purse
Lady Liberty is crying at the sight of this farce. What bitter irony this happened at the site of the Statue of Liberty.
Re: Teacher/army vet nailed at Statue of Liberty for revolver in her purse
What is really confusing, especially to the rest of the country, is that New York (state) carry permits are actually County carry permits. Most of the state's counties recognize permits issued by other counties within the state, but the five counties that make up New York City do not. And there's the rub. They're issued under the authority of state law, but......
Re: Teacher/army vet nailed at Statue of Liberty for revolver in her purse
Ok a few things here. First, any article that uses Sharknado 2 as reference material, well, I guess this is what they teach in professional journalism schools these days.
I DO agree with the statement that the permit carrier is responsible for knowing and obeying the rules and limitations to that permit. While I don't agree with the initial premise of the concept of carry permits whatsoever, if we're going to insist on permits, then we have to insist that those who get the permits know what it's permitting them to do and not do. Then as well, if they don't agree with those things, they advocate for a change in that law.
How does the school district not find out about it for TWO MONTHS? If the event was so heinous, how does a teacher get arrested in front of ten students and no one hears about it for TWO MONTHS? Not one of those students was so terrified at knowing they were inches from certain death by rogue firearm and PTSD veteran that they told anyone about the incident? How telling. So the very people who supposedly were in mortal danger didn't bother telling their parents, or the Facebook, or Dear Leader? Interesting indeed. And now it's the district's responsibility to protect those students, ex post facto. Awesome and well done.
I also take issue with the mention that she's a veteran. Being a veteran doesn't make this any more of a sin. Being a veteran doesn't entitle her to do whatever she wants regardless of the law. Pointing out that she's a veteran I guess also implies that every veteran is a gun carrying crazy person, and everyone in their presence is in imminent danger of being executed and water boarded.
Interesting as well, that the NPS, a division of the Federal government, you know, the gang known for pre-empting just about everything it touches, defaults its policy on firearms to that of the locality the park is in. I like it, it's just interesting that this is the one time they are subject to the locality?
I do not advocate, like the story mentions, national right to carry laws. Because if there were a national referendum on how such a law would be written, the numbers alone make it clear we'd end up more like New York and California than PA or any other. Do you really think Ms. Feinstein and Prinz von Reid would vote FOR any law that would allow me to carry my pistol from sea to shining sea? Yea right.
Re: Teacher/army vet nailed at Statue of Liberty for revolver in her purse
Two words: Jury Nullification.
Re: Teacher/army vet nailed at Statue of Liberty for revolver in her purse
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Statkowski
What is really confusing, especially to the rest of the country, is that New York (state) carry permits are actually County carry permits. Most of the state's counties recognize permits issued by other counties within the state, but the five counties that make up New York City do not. And there's the rub. They're issued under the authority of state law, but......
Not quite right. The NYS Penal Code sets the requirements for issuance of the Pistol Licenses and as I said earlier NYC, Rochester, and Nassau and Suffolk counties require endorsement by the issuing authority within those municipalities for someone who is not a resident, but was issued a license elsewhere. The licenses are STATE licenses issued by the COUNTY Judge or Police Chief in NYC. They are state licenses, in just the same way as PA LTCF is a state license (even though it issued by a County Sheriff for the most part).
Re: Teacher/army vet nailed at Statue of Liberty for revolver in her purse
If they were truly State licenses, then they would indeed be valid throughout the entire State. One may call the State licenses, issued under the authority of State Law, but they are de facto County licenses since some counties choose to honor them no matter what county they're issued in while others do not.
Re: Teacher/army vet nailed at Statue of Liberty for revolver in her purse
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Statkowski
If they were truly State licenses, then they would indeed be valid throughout the entire State. One may call the State licenses, issued under the authority of State Law, but they are de facto County licenses since some counties choose to honor them no matter what county they're issued in while others do not.
NOT when it is written into STATE LAW!
Re: Teacher/army vet nailed at Statue of Liberty for revolver in her purse
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fortysix
I also take issue with the mention that she's a veteran. Being a veteran doesn't make this any more of a sin. Being a veteran doesn't entitle her to do whatever she wants regardless of the law. Pointing out that she's a veteran I guess also implies that every veteran is a gun carrying crazy person, and everyone in their presence is in imminent danger of being executed and water boarded.
Hmmm. I make mention that she's a veteran but it's for the opposite reason.
An open carrier goes into a diner to eat and people are uncomfortable at the sight of a gun. Two cops go into a diner for coffee and everything is just fine. The perception is that the guns are ok in the hands of the cops.
Well people need to understand that a military veteran is someone who has previously been charged with taking up arms and risking life to protect the freedoms we enjoy. Of course that doesn't mean a vet is a gun expert but the sheeple should extend the same bias to our armed forces. I also think that the prosecutor should take this into account and cut her some slack but sadly he/she won't even give it a thought.
Re: Teacher/army vet nailed at Statue of Liberty for revolver in her purse
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photoshooter
Hmmm. I make mention that she's a veteran but it's for the opposite reason.
An open carrier goes into a diner to eat and people are uncomfortable at the sight of a gun. Two cops go into a diner for coffee and everything is just fine. The perception is that the guns are ok in the hands of the cops.
For decades our media, educational system, government agencies, and politicians have actively promoted the propaganda that guns can only be responsibly held by the police, and military. I am surprised there is still an element in this country that believes in legal, private, citizen firearm ownership, and carry. Yeah, it has been that bad for that long.
Re: Teacher/army vet nailed at Statue of Liberty for revolver in her purse
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photoshooter
Hmmm. I make mention that she's a veteran but it's for the opposite reason.
An open carrier goes into a diner to eat and people are uncomfortable at the sight of a gun. Two cops go into a diner for coffee and everything is just fine. The perception is that the guns are ok in the hands of the cops.
Well people need to understand that a military veteran is someone who has previously been charged with taking up arms and risking life to protect the freedoms we enjoy. Of course that doesn't mean a vet is a gun expert but the sheeple should extend the same bias to our armed forces. I also think that the prosecutor should take this into account and cut her some slack but sadly he/she won't even give it a thought.
Still not convinced. Your first statement is correct, but that still doesn't apply to veterans. When I go to a store with my firearm and a kid yells mommy that man has a gun, do I not get proned out when the police show up, since somehow everyone knows I'm a vet? Or, once I do get proned out, does my DD214 become my get out of jail free card and all is well the moment I play it? What laws can I get away with breaking?
I won't agree that the prosecutor should be cutting her some slack just for being a veteran. There are military drivers, military cooks, all kinds of jobs that don't involve firearms. Should they get special dispensation when committing vehicular crimes or violating the health code in their restaurant? Oh, there's a rat in these meals! But he was a cook on a ship in the 60's. Ok we'll let this slide. You fuckers that ate the rat need to respect this man, he's a vet. Every time there's a carve out for someone for actions in the past, it cheapens the action and it cheapens all future actions. I did honorable work, of which I'm proud, in the service of my country, but I certainly don't expect that for the next 40 years I should be allowed to do whatever I like. I didn't get shot in Afghanistan so I could get 10% off at Home Depot and go over the speed limit.